Re: IPv10.

Working in organisation who is submitting proposals into those EUinitiatives for about 20 years I can say:

Keep working on IPv6 deployment and do not use those as argument to stopworking on IPv6.



                    Michal


P.S: Some of NGI/NGN (specially for video) mean: let's do brilliant new IPv4

P.P.S: Some of NGI/NGN mean: let's do circuit switching (sometimes overhttp over IPv4 :-) )



On 13/11/2016 10:25, Peter Tattam wrote:

While I have yet to see any fleshy details, it does sound similar tomy idea which got thrown out (IPv6 targets direct from IPv4 usingheader options and not tunnelling) I believe I still have a bet tocollect regarding IPv6 uptake though ;) Peter

On Sun., 13 Nov. 2016 at 8:51 am, Brian E Carpenter<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com <mailto:brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>> wrote:


    I believe it can all be safely ignored, but it does seem like a silly
    waste of resources that they bother to work on it at all.

    Regards
       Brian

    On 13/11/2016 09:40, Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] wrote:
    > The next one to look into is the new NGI initiative of the European
    > Commission to start working on new Internet protocols, although
    this is just
    > research, after the failure of the Future Internet research
    program and GENI
    > in the US (though Openflow was funded at Stanford) so not really
    a threat
    > but could be used to put some sanity in researchers in quest of
    inventing
    > something new :-)
    >
    >
    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/next-generation-internet-initi
    > ative
    >
    > https://twitter.com/NGI4eu
    >
    > Latif
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
    <mailto:ipv6-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>] On Behalf Of Latif LADID
    > [IPv6-based Internet]
    > Sent: 12 November 2016 21:27
    > To: 'Scott O. Bradner' <sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com 
<mailto:sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>>;
    'IETF discussion list'
    > <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <mailto:ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>>
    > Cc: ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <mailto:ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
    > Subject: RE: IPv10.
    >
    > The IETF/3GPP endorsement agreement can be used to stop them as
    it clearly
    > states that ETSI should not be involved in IETF work but just
    endorse it.
    >
    > Latif
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Scott O. Bradner [mailto:sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com 
<mailto:sob(_at_)sobco(_dot_)com>]
    > Sent: 12 November 2016 21:06
    > To: IETF discussion list <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
<mailto:ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>>
    > Cc: Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] <latif(_at_)ladid(_dot_)lu
    <mailto:latif(_at_)ladid(_dot_)lu>>; ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
<mailto:ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
    > Subject: Re: IPv10.
    >
    > but consistent?
    >
    > Scott
    >
    >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Brian E Carpenter
    > <brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com
    <mailto:brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>> wrote:
    >>
    >> Hi Latif,
    >>
    >> On 12/11/2016 20:17, Latif LADID [IPv6-based Internet] wrote:
    >>> Jon Postel will swizel in his grave if v10 is not assigned by
    IANA first.
    >>> Let's not confuse the market. A working group at ETSI has been
    formed
    >>> 6 months ago called NGP ( Next Gereation Protocols) lashing at
    v4 and
    >>> v6 to invent a new one.
    >>
    >> How incredibly foolish of them.
    >>
    >>   Brian
    >>
    >>> Also the ITU will jump on this one to occupy the v10 space :-)
    >>>
    >>> Latif
    >>>
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
    <mailto:ipv6-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>] On Behalf Of Brian E
    >>> Carpenter
    >>> Sent: 12 November 2016 02:43
    >>> To: Randy Bush <randy(_at_)psg(_dot_)com 
<mailto:randy(_at_)psg(_dot_)com>>
    >>> Cc: Khaled Omar <eng(_dot_)khaled(_dot_)omar(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com
    <mailto:eng(_dot_)khaled(_dot_)omar(_at_)hotmail(_dot_)com>>; 
ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
    <mailto:ipv6(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>;
    >>> ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <mailto:ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
    >>> Subject: Re: IPv10.
    >>>
    >>> On 12/11/2016 14:15, Randy Bush wrote:
    >>>>> Right now it seems that you have got a solution proposal for a
    >>>>> problem, that is IMHO not very clearly described.
    >>>>
    >>>> how about ipv4 and ipv6 are incompatible on the wire and this has
    >>>> created a multi-decade ipv6 charlie foxtrot?
    >>>
    >>> Yes, I suggest mentioning that to Vint, Bob and a few others
    in 1977,
    >>> so that they can design IPv4 with extensible addresses. People in
    >>> 2016 will be grateful.
    >>>
    >>>   Brian
    >>>
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