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Re: Last Call: <draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-10.txt> (Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology) to Best Current Practice

2017-01-18 09:26:22
Scott,

In the body of this document you say:

j. "Internet-Draft": a temporary document used in the IETF and RFC
      Editor processes, as described in [RFC2026].

RFC2026 states that the drafts are removed from the directory, implying
that after that time they are not available. Whilst that never really
reflected reality, the IETF through its tools system actively makes these
documents available in perpetuity. Given the legal nature of this draft
we ought to properly note the permanent availability of these temporary
documents.

Section 5.3.3 specifically calls out ADs but there are many others who
fall into the same category: the GEN_ART team, the directorates of
other areas such as SEC and OPS, and of course regular contributors that
only read an out of area RFC when they need to use its contents.

If the text is specifically going to call out ADs it ought to also call
out those that help ADs as part of their review process.

The test says:

   An IPR disclosure must list the numbers of any issued patents or
   published patent applications or indicate that the disclosure is
   based on unpublished patent applications.  The IPR disclosure must
   also list the name(s) of the inventor(s) (with respect to issued
   patents and published patent applications) and the specific IETF
   Document(s) or activity affected.

In some cases that is simply impractical. For example one might
know that IPR was filed at a previous employer, for example
because you were on the patent review panel, but of course
would no longer have access to the documents to tease out the
exact identity of the patent. All that we can expect by the first
stage discloser, perhaps filing a third party disclosure, is as
much information as they still have available.

In section 7 you state

   When adopting new technologies, the participants in an IETF working
   group are expected to evaluate all the relevant tradeoffs from their
   perspective. Most of the time these considerations are based purely
   on technical excellence, but IPR considerations may also affect the
   evaluation and specific licensing terms may affect the participants'
   opinion on the desirability of adopting a particular technology.

There is a catch 22 problem with this text and later text in the section.
The IPR situation may indeed affect an adoption decision, but the WG
is not allowed to discuss the terms of the licence. In some cases the
terms of an encumbered technology may be just fine, but
contributors making an adoption decision cannot form a view
on this as part of the IETF process. So you can end up with
one partly saying yes because of IPR, another saying no
because of IPR and neither allowed to explain their position as
part of the IETF process.

- Stewart



On 18/01/2017 14:18, The IESG wrote:
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
the following document:
- 'Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology'
   <draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-10.txt> as Best Current Practice

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org mailing lists by 2017-02-15. Exceptionally, comments 
may be
sent to iesg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org instead. In either case, please retain the
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Abstract


    The IETF policies about Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), such as
    patent rights, relative to technologies developed in the IETF are
    designed to ensure that IETF working groups and participants have as
    much information as possible about any IPR constraints on a technical
    proposal as early as possible in the development process. The
    policies are intended to benefit the Internet community and the
    public at large, while respecting the legitimate rights of IPR
    holders.  This memo sets out the IETF policies concerning IPR related
    to technology worked on within the IETF.  It also describes the
    objectives that the policies are designed to meet.  This memo
    replaces section 10 of RFC 2026 and obsoletes RFC 3979 and RFC 4879.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bradner-rfc3979bis/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bradner-rfc3979bis/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


The document contains these normative downward references.
See RFC 3967 for additional information:
     rfc6701: Sanctions Available for Application to Violators of IETF IPR 
Policy (Informational - IETF stream)
     rfc4844: The RFC Series and RFC Editor (Informational - IAB stream)
     rfc6401: RSVP Extensions for Admission Priority (Proposed Standard - IETF 
stream)
Note that some of these references may already be listed in the acceptable 
Downref Registry.



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