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Re: [mail-vet-discuss] Seeking consensus on MUA use

2008-12-16 02:03:29

On Dec 15, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

Victor Duchovni wrote:
No, the draft correctly captures the fact that SPF/SID are there to  
support (a rather lame IMHO, but still popular mechanism for)  
domain reputation. IPs have nothing to do with it. The sending  
domain, which has signed for the ISPs/ESPs whitelist either is or  
is NOT whitelisted.

I will make no further comments on SPF and IPs, over and out.

+1.  To recycle a comment used on me recently: "Is the horse dead  
yet?"

This does not put to rest the issue that this header, by its very  
name, will give recipients an impression that an email-address has  
been authenticated when such an assumption may not be safe.  In  
addition, when a system becomes compromised, there will be no  
practical means in which to mitigate the problem.  While static  
positive reputations of a domain may work in specific cases, this  
approach is not appropriate in general.  Unfortunately, the  
Authentication-Results header fails to offer an identifier that has  
been _authenticated_ as the source of the message, and is instead  
insisting only a domain seen as authorizing the IP address of the SMTP  
client is only identifier that matters.  While providers may not want  
the IP address of their servers included in the results header, such  
inclusion is _absolutely_ essential when dealing with compromised  
systems.

Compromised systems are a reality.  This ongoing problem should raise  
significant doubt about white-listing a domain, especially when there  
is also doubt about whether it had been evaluated by the authorized  
SMTP client due to scope uncertainties.  It does not somehow become  
safe to obscure the SMTP client IP address that is being authorized by  
either SPF or Sender-ID.   Is should not matter that the lie of domain  
authentication has become popular or well marketed.  It remains a  
dangerous and potentially injurious lie.  Including the IP address  
would be a way to admit that an uncertain domain will not offer enough  
information upon which to evaluate reputations prior to apply  
annotations based upon the Authentication-Results header.

-Doug 
  
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