(Carboned to Mr. Cefali because I get the impression he's not actually
subscribed. My sincere appologies if you are.)
At 09:09 PM 11/25/97 -0600, James L. McGill wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, David Cefali wrote:
I saw our name (cefali.com) listed as a spamming site on your list. We
do not engage in this and I would like our name removed immediately.
Thank you, David Cefali
With all due respect, I have this mailing list archived back to June 1997
and the only reference to 'cefali.com' is your message.
James, you should dig deeper, June 97 is hardly an exhaustive search. Even
so, it does appear in the archives.
cefali.com came from the Cyberpromo named boot which was exposed a few
months ago. A factual list (a grep'ing of the NIC com.zone file shortly
afterwards reported the same info). It just so happens that I am the
person who composed that document and posted it here, August 14th, 21:00
PST. I make no appologies for that.
Mr. Cefali - because of your prior association with Cyberpromo, you've got
an uphill battle to get your name clean. To borrow an idiom, sort of, when
you roll in the manure with swine, you get up smelling of it yourself.
Thus, people have a difficult time differentiating your domain from a spam
domain - it has a certain reek - after all, you were HOSTED by *THE*
spammer-king. Who would associate with him and not expect to get his smell
on them?
There are MANY lists of spam domains, maintained by many people. And some
which have been mirrored from their original maintainers, but not
subsequently maintained. As it is, I only caught this thread because I
regularly generate a report of spam messages filtered out by my filters -
yours AND the followup were purged (the folowup because the headers, most
likely an "in-reply-to" contained your domain). I've edited my personal
ban list (currently containing over 26,000 domains - hey, my server has
plenty of spare cycles) to reflect your earnest statement - but don't
expect many others to do the same.
I'll freely admit that my personal spam filters are likely to hit some with
friendly fire (fortunatley, I just trashbin - I don't blindly retaliate).
I find that the shotgun approach works fairly well against the rising tide
of spam (by finding a multiple-spamdomain host and purge all their domains,
I avoid spam BEFORE they've sent it). Hosts servicing dozens of
identifyable spammers tend to be added to my file, causing all mail from
hapless customers of theirs to be trashbin'd. I check my spamlog with some
regularity though, and only occasionally find casualties - and they are
easily recovered.
You're doubly-screwed though - you might get maintained lists to edit you
out, but you can't do a thing about archived discussions (such as Procmail,
and SPAMAD, SPAM-L, etc). Your domain will FOREVER appear in lists of spam
domains.
Them is the breaks. If I were you, I'd choose the people I use for
connectivity a bit better next time around. It is a generally good rule to
avoid doing business with scum.
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Sean B. Straw / Professional Software Engineering
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