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RE: Reputation Services and HELO/EHLO Checking For Unified SPF

2004-07-04 08:09:00
...... Original Message .......
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:40:17 +0100 Karl Prince 
<spf(_dot_)pobox(_at_)princeweb(_dot_)com> 
wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:19:03 -0400, spf(_at_)kitterman(_dot_)com:

I think this may be a good long term outcome, even if not 
popular with vanity domain owners, whom can get currently have 
the "privledge" of a domain email for peanuts.

Just one quibble...

In what respect is sending e-mail from my domain a "privilege"?  

Hi Scott,

Hmmm, I badly phrased that, there are two things I see wrong 
with my statement.

* <Troll alert on> Sending mail has nothing to do with 
privledge, but for networks to transmit it, and servers to 
accept it is not a given right <Troll alert off>

* What I was trying to say (and still struggling to do 
eloquently), is that coz of the current state of SMTP, it has 
been historically very easy (and cheap) to have vanity domain 
email. However as we more to a more secure/trustworthy SMTP 
system, this will cease to be the case, and (vanity) domain 
owners are likely to have to spend more than just a 
registration fee to have their mail accepted.

If you can put it better, please do, I'm struggling...

Regards
Karl.P

I might have focused on the word responsibility if I'd been writing.  I 
appreciate the clarification.

We all have a responsibility to be a good citizens of the internet.  Anyone 
("Vanity domain" owners or not) must meet their responsibilities.  Failure 
to do so has consequences.  

It is certain that changes that raise transaction costs for spammers (a 
good thing) will raise transaction costs for responsible citizens too 
(unfortunate but unavoidable).  The main reasons I'm investing so much time 
in SPF right now are:

to try and influence SPF development to not raise the costs of being a good 
citizen to a prohibitive level for a significant class of domain owners 
("vanity domains'');

to make sure I understand the responsibilities of good citizenship.

I really dislike the term vanity domain.  It implies these domains have 
little or no rationale purpose.  It is a small step from that term to 
concluding these domains are unimportant and if SPF (or insert a new 
technology here) wipes them out, well that's an acceptable level of 
collateral damage.  As a one man consulting company, my e-mail address and 
thus my domain name are a critical element of my brand identity.  I'd like 
to propose we use small domain owners or commercially hosted small domain 
owners as an alternative that covers the same territory without carrying 
the notion of second class citizenship.

Scott Kitterman



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