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RE: Re: Agenda for FTC/NIST Email Authentication Su mmit

2004-11-03 15:01:43


[mailto:owner-spf-discuss(_at_)v2(_dot_)listbox(_dot_)com] On Behalf Of 
william(at)elan.net

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:

In this case they may actually be interested in technolog a 
lot more then usual and in details of those technologies. 
This is pretty rare of such government agencies.

Its unlikely that they would take that input in public. 


If your objective here is to achieve some form of endorsement you 
certainly do not want internal industry squabbles being 
laundered in 
public.

I have doubts they will provide official endorsement but who knows...

Most likely that what they would do is to tell US federal govt. offices to
implement. This sets a very big precedent.

The party line is that publishing SPF syntax records is safe, has 
minimal operational impact on senders and brings significant 
advantages.

That is exactly the problem - it is not safe with PRA 
algorithm and has 
possibility of significant operational impact (on senders 
whose email is imroperly rejected)

Rubbish. This is not about FSF ideology, in the real world the spec works
fine from an engineering point of view. 

Cryptographic authentication such as that proposed in IIM 
and Domain 
Keys provides significant additional advantages, particularlyfor 
brands targetted by phishing but does have a significant 
operational 
impact

The meaning of word "impact" is important here. If you mean 
that it requires more programming and changes to support such 
technology, then it is true, 

Sender-ID is a trivial commitment for most senders, not even a software
change. Cryptography requires a new server deployment, possibly crypt
acceleration hardware etc. Its not a major commitment but it is not
negligible.

But if it we take impact to mean how it effects senders as 
impact on what of their emails get through or not, then 
cryptography is better and safer and has less impact on email 
infrastructure. 

Cryptography is more likely to work through forwarders without problems.

and there is not currently a consensus industry specification, 
although
this is rapidly converging.

Most of emails software used in the world is made by authors 
of F/OSS and they are not part of what you might want to call "industry" 
and are not involved in what you want to call a consensus.

F/OSS is part of the industry.

The OSS community as a whole does not lead, individuals who happen to be
members of the OSS community lead.

The 
specification that they agree to implement are email RFCs 
produced by IETF and so far IETF has not 
been willing to be put in the position of political pawn for 
some large 
organizations who want people to implement their propriatary 
solution. 

I do not anticipate that the IETF will have a large say in the decision
making process in this instance. Nor does it appear that they want such a
role.


        Phill


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