Re: [Fwd: Re: "If you believe that the SPF concept is fundamentally flaw

I think many of us are disgusted with the pobox website, the selling out 
to MS, Meng too busy to attend council meetings, Meng to busy to correct 
the website until has something so fancy he can tweak it with his cell 
phone.  Fix the damn website already:
-get rid of the link to infinitepenguins, 
(http://www.infinitepenguins.net/SPF/check.php)
-get rid of the "an essential part of Senderid", if for no other reason 
then the trademark issues with senderid, how about "an essential part of 
MTA/domain authorization" (I am sure others have opinions)
-get rid of "SPF is ushering in a new set of anti-spam systems", how 
about something less doubletalk like "SPF authenticates emails by 
eliminating forgery so reputation lists are more accurate"
-get rid of the entire PRA/senderid page 
http://spf.pobox.com/senderid.html  (or does that have to stay up 
because of the non-existent sell-out deal to MS)
-under mechanisms, how about listing something other then senderid
-get rid of the registry link to infinitepenguins, if there is a 
registry somewhere point it correctly
It's unfortunate when so many competent/informed supporters are dropping 
off because of spf.pobox.com
Terry


johnp wrote:
> John Levine has put his finger on the root of the SPF problems, and
> co-incidentally the reason for my own non-participation in spf work now.
>
> SPF is not and never will be an anti-spam protocol, and must never be
> promoted as such.
>
> spf.pobox.com is the worst possible vehicle for promoting spf.
>
> The council needs to take spf.pobox,com down - better it was a dead link
> than to be putting forward such views, and using spf so badly itself.
>
> Meantime we must promote SPF as a means of confirming MAILFROM against
> the spf record.. More will come in time, but we have wasted sooooo much
> time already that I have given up until the council clarifies this.
>
> Personally, I think 95% of the discuss list is irrelevant to what Wayne
> is trying to do - document an existing usage.  It is useful in the
> context of spf3 but that is some way off.
>
>
> Slainte,
> JohnP
>
>
>
>
> John Levine wrote:
>
> > > > Contrary to the promotions, SPF will not stop spam.
> > >
> > > Who is promoting SPF as an anti-spam solution?  I'd really like to know.
> >
> >
> > Let's take a look at http://spf.pobox.org.  Hey, look what it says:
> >
> >   SPF is ushering in a new set of anti-spam systems, where email is
> >   spam unless proven otherwise.
> >
> > If history is any guide, some SPF fan will write back in a huff and
> > say "That doesn't say SPF is an anti-spam solution!  It just says that
> > SPF is holding a flashlight and will lead the actual anti-spam
> > solutions to their seats!"
> >
> > This kind of disingenuous doubletalk has characterized SPF advocacy
> > since its beginning, and is one of the many reasons that the
> > mainstream e-mail tech community holds SPF in disdain.  That along
> > with its egregious design mistakes and its irreparably enormous error
> > rate, of course.
> >
> > SPF can help whitelist mail from fixed source senders you already
> > know.  That's what AOL uses it for, and it's an adequate if overly
> > complex means to that end.  If the SPF crowd promoted it for that
> > purpose, I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.  But they
> > don't and the smoke long ago became unbreathable.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Levine, johnl(_at_)iecc(_dot_)com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> > Dummies",
> > Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, Mayor
> > "A book is a sneeze." - E.B. White, on the writing of Charlotte's Web
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