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From: Jon Kyme [mailto:jrk(_at_)merseymail(_dot_)com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:09 AM
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Cc: Hadmut Danisch
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Declaration to the world
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 02:40:05PM +0000, Jon Kyme wrote:
But, for instance how does the next 'owner' of danisch.de
invalidate your declaration?
How do *you* invalidate it when your ISP (or RIPE) change your IP
out from under you?
In the very same simple way I have changed the MX record for
danisch.de and the A record for www.danisch.de when a new
IP address was assigned about half a year ago: I took a very
simple text editor, changed the zone file, and that's it.
So your declaration is implicit in and limited to the DNS data
for the domain?
Doesn't this require this to be true for every domain if it is
to work for yours? (This would be difficult for some systems I'd imagine.)
Or, if you have a separate mechanism for making this kind of declaration,
how is it to be publicised, invalidated etc.
------- I am also an advocate for a DNS based system. I believe that most
people are missing the point. Looking for a "Zero-Tolerance" system is
unnecessary. Spam is ONLY prevalent because it is cheap, easy, and there is
no consequences to spammer that someone received the spam that did not want
it.
K., obviously very intelligent, has yet to impress me with an original
idea. Someone who criticizes without value is a flamer and it doesn't help.
I believed that when I participated in the discussion, it was full of people
that genuinely wanted to make a difference. Flaming is NOT helping. I have
no problem with people disagreeing with me, just make sure that it is based
on a technical grounds or merit and not "feelings".
The statement of the world is not an eternal and irrevocable
statement. As any other policy, certificate, DNS entry or
whatever, it needs to be updated from time to time.
Sorry, but I'm a little bit shocked that this is so difficult
to understand. I thought this was abvious.
It *seems* obvious.
----- I thought is was obvious.
Don't get me wrong, but I am under the impression that some
people intentionally misunderstand everything in order to
put through their political opinion.
I hope I understand you, I'm genuinely interested in what kind of
mechanism this might require.
And I am under the impression that this research group was
intentionally poisoned by spamming advocates.
I hope that's not true. Of course the RG may itself be a time-wasting ruse
set up by spammers to waste anti-spammers time. :-)
------ I will continue to participate, hopefully, intelligent people will
see who the flamers are and who is actually interested in making a
difference.
Flamers will not participate in the refining of ideas and will contribute
nothing original or constructive.
I am sure that we can see a few of those by now.
I for one am VERY serious about this issue. I will agree with you on merit
and disagree with reason.
I apologize for the disclaimer on my emails- My employer requires it.
Regards,
Damon
I'm an administrator on a webmail system with around 100k accounts.
I hate spam. I hate my users complaining. I need a way to stop
it hurting
Only 100k? ;-)
--
Regards,
Jon Kyme
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