AOL & Hotmail would be quite responsive if it meant really reducing amount
of spam they have to process on their mailservers. After all money means
something to those folks and they are spending great deal of it on
bandwidth, storage, abuse support costs, etc as far as spam goes.
The way I see it, if for example we can stop email from being claimed to
have come from hotmail or aol when email did not, they'll adapt such a
solution because it means less time spent on processing abuse complaints.
If we can actually reduce the amount of spam their mailserver has to
process, they'll go for it even more.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Dave Crocker wrote:
Jon,
Tuesday, March 25, 2003, 9:32:23 AM, you wrote:
JK> A. Because (many users at) Hotmail and AOL don't accept mail without it.
JK> (in my fantasy)
let's assume that getting them to adopt the mechanism would, in fact,
make the mechanism useful.
have you ever tried to sell anything to either of those two
organizations? they are predictably unresponsive. (that's not a
criticism of them, merely an observed fact.)
and pure logic or predictions of the future are not persuasive
arguments. they need to see very, very high likelihood -- read:
certainty -- that they will directly and immediately benefit from the
change.
JK> I don't understand why there's this almost "religious" objection to
JK> proposals
JK> based on signing
it is not religious. it is the result of 10 years of direct experience
trying to get large-scale cert-based systems deployed... unsuccessfully.
JK> - I guess that that shows how little I understand this
JK> "culture" .
it's true that some standards groups tend to ignore experience. the
ietf commits that sin -- to use a religious reference -- sometimes, but
we try not to.
d/
You must "follow the money" in any proposed solution.
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