Vernon keeps repeating the lie that I am knowingly misrepresenting spews
Spews has never disputed the assertion in question and keeps no public logs
of its activity. Therefore our observation that the entire uunet network
block our server was in was bloked is currently impossible to prove as a
direct result of spews own behavior.
So unless vernon wants to admit he is a part of the spews cabal - which
would explain a lot, particularly his attitude, I don't see the point in
revisiting this point. Yes spews is completely out of control.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vernon Schryver
Sent: Tue Mar 25 18:04:05 2003
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Certs required to send mail
From: william(_at_)elan(_dot_)net
But ISPs do terminate accounts for sending unsolicited emails in any kind
of large number. There is a reason why all spammers have switched to
China.
I wish I thought that was a joke instead of offensive and knowingly
false noise like "SPEWS has listed all of UUNET".
ISPs that don't terminate spammers make it worth for themselve and can not
get peering from other isps (i.e. remember AGIS?). And if they are buying
transit, then it becomes responsibility of their upstream to enforce AUP.
Who, pray tell, is upstream of UUNET or Sprint?
(yes, Sprint is rumored to have started actually terminating spammers)
You can not hope to stop spammer who just signed up today at large isp,
but large spammers rely on pemanent connections and try their best to hide
who they are and where they are sending emails from, ...
Since email spam first became a problem, I have not seen a single
spammer that was able to hide from anyone with minimal technical clues.
They can hide from computer programs (e.g. SpamAssasin and SpamCop)
for a while or linger, but that's only because computers are too stupid
to know about IP routing and so forth
Vernon Schryver vjs(_at_)rhyolite(_dot_)com
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