In <EA2CA870-77F5-11D7-9328-000393A6E524(_at_)guppylake(_dot_)com> Nathaniel
Borenstein <nsb(_at_)guppylake(_dot_)com> writes:
I believe passionately that many kinds of commercial use of email are
Very Good Things. Every bill and account statement that I get via
email saves a fraction of a tree; already whole forests are arguably
being saved on utility billing, for example. The same applies to the
commercial mailings I get from Amazon, the New York Mets, and the
ACLU. I opted in to their programs, and I want to get their mail.
Solutions to spam that neglect the interest that those organizations
have in communicating with me are ultimately not in my interest,
either.
Yeah, but none of those organizations are a part of either ESPC nor
the JamSpamDownYourThroat people.
It seems obvious that the ESPC is an attempt by those who self-define
as legitimate commercial emailers to separate themselves from spam
well enough to construct discriminating solutions.
Yep, and I've said before: ->*IF*<- the ESPC standard of conduct is
usable by receivers of email, I expect it to be used in conjunction
with other anti-spam systems. If, on the other hand, it is only
useful to the senders, I expect it to be ignored.
If we
neglect their interest in favor of blacklists that prevent 20% of
their customers from receiving their messages, we will never converge
on a universal solution, because some very big companies will perceive
themselves as having no choice but to fight in court against our
"solutions".
Uh, are you assuming that the 20% of "their customers" that are being
blocked by DNSBLs actually *want* to receive the email?
I suspect that a certain percentage want the email from the ESPC
members and aren't getting it, but I also suspect that a larger
percentage of people are receiving email from the ESPC and don't want
it.
As far as fighting in courts, well, I wouldn't recommend that
solution. Email senders (spammers or otherwise) haven't won too many
court battles.
It seems to me that everyone on the ASRG list should be *welcoming*
the effort that ESPC seems to represent, and that we (the technical
community) should be engaging in critical but respectful discussions
about the details.
Uh, and what details are there to discuss?
The only detail that I can see is that ESPC has made a huge PR
announcement with nothing to back them up. That doesn't sound very
promising to me.
-wayne
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