-----Original Message-----
From: Vernon Schryver [mailto:vjs(_at_)calcite(_dot_)rhyolite(_dot_)com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:09 PM
To: asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
From: "Peter Kay" <peter(_at_)titankey(_dot_)com>
...
Spam is defined as unsolicited bulk email
Bulk email is defined as the transmission of 2 or more emails via a
primarily automated process.
Unsolicited email is defined as email where the recipient has not
implicitly or explicitly approved of receiving email from the
sender.
Sender can mean an individual or an organization.
A recipient implicitly approves of receiving email from a given
sender
if the recipient has previously sent email to the sender and the
recipient has not explicitly requested to not receive further email
from
the sender.
From: Vernon Schryver [mailto:vjs(_at_)calcite(_dot_)rhyolite(_dot_)com]
I'm sorry, but I find that last paragraph very wrong. Silence in the
face of spam is never consent to more spam!
I tried to word that paragraph carefully but probably stumbled. Either
that or you missed the "and". What I'm saying in that last paragraph is
that if I've sent you email before AND I've not explicitly asked not to
receive email from you anymore, THEN I'm implicitly approving receiving
email from you.
Consent to unsolicited bulk email must always be explicit and precede
first message.
Agreed. my definition above was about the word "implicit" only, not
"ube".
It does not matter how the consent is expressed,
whether by a proper mailing list subscription including confirmation
or some other message. It does matter that spam is spam even it
claims "There is no need to unsubscribe since this is a one-time
mailing."
(That phrase was once very common in spam. It's more common now )
agreed and the above does not contradict that.
Other bits of that definition are objectionable because they are
distracting and irrelevant. It does not matter whether an
advertisement
is sent in batch of 1000 or if the energetic and desperate salesperson
addressed and "targeted" each copy manually and so doesn't manage to
send more than 5000 before running out of time to "make quota."
if you can define "bulk" to handle that case I'm all for it.
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