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Re: [Asrg] AOL vs the Internet -- Are they opting out? (fwd)

2003-07-26 04:36:03

Use your ISPs mail server as a smart host and get over it.

If users can't have the help of their ISP to deter spam, they will be
greatly disadvantaged in the fight against it. 

The "consent model" model means you need the consent of the user to send
them mail. They need to be free to have help making the decision to accept
mail, from their ISP or others. Merely delegating responsibility to
another is not a loss of freedom, for them, or for you. 

Since the IP address of the connecting host is the only non-forgable
identity information the receiving ISP has, they are not likely to accept
mail from dynamic addresses if they want to supress spam at all (other
than content examination).

It isn't overly restrictive to ask you to send your mail through a mail
server with a permanent IP address. To retain subscribers AOL needs to do
its users will seek out ISP that do better. That is the users protection
from AOL misbehavior. If AOL is prohibited from acting on the user's
behalf, few users have the wherewithall to handle this themselves.

There is no concept of freedom anywhere in the world (except for inside
spammers brains) that requires users to accept mail from you or anyone
else. You may send such mail as you like. Receipients choose, directly or
through agents, what to accept. You need to accept that and move on.

If your own ISP won't accept your mail, then you are certainly a spammer
and need to reform. If your mail is too confidential to trust to your
ISPs server, you are being silly.

Daniel Feenberg
feenberg isat nber dotte org

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 asrg(_at_)bobf(_dot_)frankston(_dot_)com wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


I found this in my SMTP log

 

The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic,

IP address.  AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions,

I've only been skimming this list (5000 messages are a lot to catch up
on. But this action by AOL is like prohibiting free speech to save it.
Killing email by going back to the PTT model is effectively opting out
of the Internet. I say a little more about this at
http://www.frankston.com/?name=AolVsInternet.





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