ISPs allow?
Since the concept of separating access from service is controversial on this
list I don't want to divert people into that issue so I'll simply note that
one should not presume the existence of a third party providing a service.
One can choose to use a third party but such third parties are not
fundamental -- they are just vendors providing a service for those who would
rather buy from someone else even when it is already available on their
machines -- at least for outgoing on XP and Unix. Incoming on XP requires
SMTP=>POP and that isn't hard. I have a fancy one and might write a simple
one just to be helpful. IIS already provides most of the base mechanism. But
there are too many other diversions.
Again, I'm simply pointing out the distinction and don't want to get into a
long discussion.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yakov Shafranovich [mailto:research(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 20:36
To: asrg(_at_)bobf(_dot_)frankston(_dot_)com; 'Kee Hinckley'
Cc: Dave Crocker; asrg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: 7b. Best Practices - Mail Administrators (was RE: [Asrg] AOL vs the
Internet -- Are they opting out?)
At 08:01 PM 7/27/2003, asrg(_at_)bobf(_dot_)frankston(_dot_)com wrote:
.......
What I will respond to is your statement that I am somehow going through a
lot of extra work to sneak past my ISP. That is offensive and utterly
wrong.
My ISP is whimsical and changes the email addresses of its millions of
subscribers whenever it decides to -- continental cablevision ==> Mediaone
==> JoesDryCleaningAndInternetService => ATTBI => Comcast. They also have
problematic policies when I want to send email other than via their
approved
wires and I accidentally connect via my neighbor's access point or through
the wrong path on my Dual WAN they just won't deal with me. The whole point
of the Internet is to avoid being at the mercy of benevolence of those that
demand to do me good.
.......
Quote from this reply:
.......THEY ALSO HAVE PROBLEMATIC POLICIES.....
This is something that the ASRG can address by developing BCPs that then
can be promoted to the rest of the Net. There isn't much else we can do
beside that aside from taking these issues into account when evaluating
solutions. I believe that was already addressed in the "Technical
Considerations" document, section 4.2, "Burden":
"Effective mechanisms must place some kind of burden on senders and
receivers. Hence a challenge for spam control mechanisms is to require
enough of a burden to be effective, but not so much that it makes email
unacceptably painful to use."
Within the consent framework, I have to agree with others that the ISPs
should allow users to exchange consent information. This would also be part
of a BCP.
Yakov
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