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Re: [Asrg] S/MIME

2004-03-22 16:41:22


Barry Shein wrote:

On March 21, 2004 at 15:10 mbaugher(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com (Mark Baugher) wrote:
> > If we get forgery under control, then it is possible to apply reputation, > accreditation, blacklisting and other techniques to manage spam. What am I > missing?

That the USPS (and no doubt others) haven't been able to make much of
dent in this in 200+ years?

I do not think they have that task and as they also do not require that the sender sign the postal mail with a 3rd party verified signature it is not a valid comparison.

There's a paradox here. Authentication etc costs money, even if just
microcents it adds up in some contexts. People want e-mail to be
essentially free.

An email cert from your ISP could be free or included in your sign up fee.
In fact your ISP could interpose on port 25, check the 'from' values
and sign it for you - for free (for those that use the ISPs email addresses) if
the ISP is a CA.

I think we can probably find ways to prevent people from bringing fork
lifts into the all you can eat buffet. But fraud and authentication in
general is a huge topic which probably is best solved by someone
figuring out a model for a "charging for authentication business",
akin to registered or certified mail.

You can send registered and certified postal mail without showing any ID at all. Not the same model. The recipient of the registered or certified mail has to show
identity, not the sender.

If you think that stopping spam will require a fork lift to a buffet, then I can
make money selling your competitors digital signatures real cheap :-)

I do not think that it is heavy weight at all. It is implemented by most (all?) of
the GUI MUAs that I have seen over the last few years.

Put another way, it's one of those problems that seems to be easy on a
very small scale (exchange PGP keys with your friends), but becomes
very hard as you scale it up, particularly if the first criteria is
that it must not cost anything.

Yes - PGP will not work. I am talking S/MIME, it does not have that scaling
problem as the number of CAs is MUCH lower and does not require a 4th
hand he said she said you can trust that person problem.

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