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Re: [Asrg] draft-irtf-asrg-bcp-blacklists-00

2004-05-06 12:06:04
Bart Schaefer wrote:

On May 5,  6:49pm, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
}
} Alice signs a contract with Bob in which Bob agrees to paint Alice's
} house for $100.

I'm curious:  Anyone know of case law in which the rest of Phillip's
example stands as is, but the contract Alice signs with Bob is to post
billboards on Jim's wall without Jim's permission?

That is, if the contract isn't legal to begin with, can Bob still be
sued for breach?

No.

If the contract isn't legal (ie: calls for things that one of the parties cannot guarantee to produce), there is _no_ contract. Full stop. Nobody's bound to it, let alone someone possibly getting hit with tortious interference of an illegal contract.

In the situation at hand, I can't contract with you to "guarantee delivery" to specific people. Unless I have a contract with those people to accept delivery. The best I can do is contract delivery to "N people". I then have to start delivery attempts until I manage to achieve N people accepting delivery. I can't sue those that refuse delivery nor their agents. I can't sue someone for their refusal to let me trespass! If I can't achieve N people, I'm in breach - I shouldn't have promised something I couldn't deliver, and I'm stuck with the penalty clauses.

The other aspect is the requirement of intent and knowledge. Going back to PHB's original scenario, Mallet can't be held under "tortious interference" if there is no knowledge of such contract or intent to interfere with it.

Let's try a reasonably accurate analogy please:

FlyersRealBig distributes flyers. Crotch marketing contracts with FlyersRealBig to distribute flyers about crotch supports "throughout the city". I live in a "gated community", and my condo fees include a fee with CondosRUs to patrol the perimeter and prevent scruffians coming through the gate. Especially flyer carrying scruffies. CondosRUs engages the services of FlyerCop to use satellite lasering systems to pinpoint FlyersRealBig scruffies so that CondosRUs security staff can turn them away.

Is FlyerCop "tortiously interfering"?  I think not.  CondosRUs?  Nope.

Contracts cannot impose conditions on people who aren't a party to the contract. The recipient of the flyer, the security guards and the services they use (the FlyerCops) are not parties to the contract, and cannot be forced to accept delivery.

All FlyersRealBig can legitimately offer as a service is "best efforts to deliver", _unless_ they have a contract with the recipient.

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