Re: [Asrg] DNS-based Email Sender Authentication Mechanisms: aCritical R

On May 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Amir Herzberg wrote:

> > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Douglas Otis <dotis(_at_)mail- 
> > abuse.org> wrote:
> > http://amir.herzberg.googlepages.com/somerecentpapers
> >
> > This paper refers to DNS poisoning without fully exploring how SPF  
> > might be used to enable DNS poisoning.  SPF might be checked by  
> > MUAs in some cases.   More than just resolvers associated with MTAs  
> > are affected, so separate resolvers for MTAs, which themselves  
> > might become poisoned, does not represent a good solution.
> Sorry - I simply was not aware of SPF checks being invoked by MUAs.  
> I actually find it a bit strange that MUAs would do SPF validations,  
> considering they don't get MAIL FROM, but human ingenuity is endless  
> and I apologize for this ignorance. Doug, can you give me specific  
> examples - preferably of common MUA clients and if possible, of  
> appropriate documentation so I can read about it and/or test it? Tks!
SPF can be found in ClamAV, SpamAssassin, etc. extend filtering of  
incoming email at the desktop for any type of MUA.  There are even  
Thunderbird plugins that specifically provide SPF resolution.
> > SPF provides bad actors access to DNS resolvers that might  
> > otherwise be protected by ACLs.  At today's Internet speeds, DNS  
> > transactional IDs do not represent adequate protection.  SPF's use  
> > of macros ignores this security venerability.  Suggesting the use  
> > of DNSSEC is not reasonable justification for ignoring this problem.
> I believe my text  already makes this argument except for  
> considering the issue limited to MTAs, MDAs.
A common mistake.

> > SPF supports the use of macros to access A, AAAA, PTR and TXT DNS  
> > resource records.  These macros might expand local-parts within the  
> > email-message, which means SPF records may NOT be fully cacheable.   
> > Subsequent record resolutions can be triggered by the SPF macros,  
> > where as may as one hundred such record resolutions can occur when  
> > resolving a single SMTP source authorization.
> But spec says (and even if it didn't, common sense would) that a  
> reasonable limit of resolutions, say 10, should be used. I think I  
> even discussed this, I definitely considered discussing this.
When the goal is to poison DNS, the SPF specifications limit  
resolution to 10 mechanisms, and then the resolution of MX records  
(one such mechanism) to 10. 10 x 10 = 100.  The draft that I wrote  
long ago demonstrated 100 transactions using unmodified off-the-shelf  
SPF libraries.
> > These subsequent resolution events can be directed toward both a  
> > DNS resolver under the control of the bad actor to obtain timing  
> > and target information for the remaining tens or hundreds of record  
> > resolutions made against their victim's caching resolvers.  This  
> > attack can be renewed by simply changing local-parts within either  
> > the bounce address or the PRA.  Perhaps both the bounce address and  
> > the PRA authorization verifications are attempted, which would have  
> > the effect of doubling the amount of traffic.
> This is indeed the attack I've sketched in the paper; do u think  
> more details were needed? Maybe I can simply add citation of some  
> detailed publication on this since I think adding much more details  
> is not reasonable for such a review.
You might want to go through the numbers.  When SPF records are being  
cached, but then expanded upon using macros, the cost to the attacker  
becomes nil, however the impact on their victim can profound.
-Doug

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