Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs
2010-02-04 21:59:44
Bart Schaefer wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:18pm, Steve Atkins wrote:
}
} There's a subtle implication, which is that if you're stashing the
} ARF consumer address in a header, and your MX isn't overwriting (or
} stripping) that header, then it's possible that spam reports could
} be sent to the preferred reporting address of someone further up
} the delivery chain. I see this as an advantage, but it needs to be
} mentioned.
This is exactly the point I was making, over at the head of another
sub-thread. If a reporting address can come in from somewhere up the
chain, then it can come in *forged*, and whatever software is going
to interpret the address needs a defense against that.
Numerous proposals for dealing with this (and arguments about why it
isn't necessary, or in Rich's case, why it's irrelevant) have already
been bandied about.
It happens ;-)
The basic thing is that either the MUA knows how to handle ARFs without
relying on anything the mail stream (user config of where to send ARFs),
or has to know that the message path supports abuse reporting (user
configuration boolean switch), it can trust ARF directive[s] in the
headers AND that the message stream HAS to take steps to destroy any ARF
directives it doesn't want its downstream users to execute.
If either the above are true, you don't need to go to extremes to, say,
cryptographically secure ARF directives and put all sorts of
trust-evaluation gunk into the MUA. Putting the latter in MUAs would be
a big istake.
But if you do inband ARF directives, if the originator sets ARF strings,
it needs to not DKIM that header ;-)
I'd rather not burden the user with any configuration at all, and if you
have to have the user do something, the lesser the better. That isn't a
big deal in environments where the users are running site-preconfigured
MUAs (like us), but becomes an issue elsewhere, and you have to tell the
user what to set it to.
The advantage of MUA-only configuration is that you don't have to touch
the MTAs at all to make it work. Indeed, if you want to outsource your
ARF handling, or the user wants to do them anyway, you only have to make
your MUA TiS capable, no other changes required. That may outweigh all
other considerations.
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