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Re: [ietf-dkim] Issue #1265: Signing by parent domains

2006-05-26 12:04:35

On May 25, 2006, at 10:23 PM, John Levine wrote:

The arguments against parent signatures seem to me to boil down to two: parents may be untrustworthy, and foolish people can do foolish things.

I concur with Jim's rebuttal to the first. The DNS works on the basis of delegation from the top down, subdomains are 100% at the mercy of their parent domains whether you like it or not, and it's 25 years too late to change it. Sorry.

Any weakness or exploit related to selections of algorithms or keys within the DNS hierarchy related to DKIM parent signing precludes an effective response at affected levels. If a TLD used DKIM with 768 bit keys for example, that might be adequate when this domain's messages are seldom targeted. On the other hand, <big- financial>.<tld> may need to react to a highly targeted attack employing greater resources, perhaps necessitating 1024 bit keys or greater.

Critical and targeted domains will be in an awkward position insisting unusual (movie plot) exploits are something that all their TLDs must defend against. When allowing parent signing, <big- financial>.<tld> will be unable to directly respond to all threats affecting them. By allowing parent signing, messages for <big- financial>.<tld> might be validated by a compromised key at <tld>. Perhaps <tld> retains keys for too long, or uses a key too small to resist the level of attack amassed against <big-financial>.<tld>. Of course, the greater number of messages compromised by a single key, the greater the threat.

This concern is not directly related to how DNS works, but rather what message email-addresses are considered confirmed by a signature. There is a significant reduction in security in this regard when parent signing is permitted. When disallowing parent signing as directly validating some sub-domain email-address, the parent domain can still sign these messages, but would be properly considered a third-party signing-domain. For most messages, this should not cause any problem.

-Doug

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