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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: ISSUE 1525 -- Restriction to posting by first Author breaks email semantics

2008-01-16 11:33:57


Michael Thomas wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
RFC 5016:
          While a DKIM signed message
   speaks for itself, there is ambiguity if a message doesn't have a
   valid first party signature (i.e., on behalf of the [RFC2822].From
address): is this to be expected or not?

This requirements statement is actually self-contradictory, since the words "speaks for itself" rather explicitly means that any signature is sufficient, while the rest of the sentence seems to mean that the wishes of the purported author dominate.

No it isn't. A signed message is a signed message. It doesn't say about
any relationship to any outside address. It speaks for itself. SSP is
about the subset of signatures that have a relationship with the From
address. Any signature is not sufficient by definition.

You are ignoring the "While... there is ambiguity" language, which ties these two issues together.


Whereas SSP began as a simple idea as a means of deciding whether an unsigned message should have been signed, it has morphed into an effort to validate the From field. That is a very, very different goal.

This is revisionist history. I've pointed to both of the historical
documents of IIM and DK which directly contradict you.

Evidently you missed the massive number of discussions both in the working group and elsewhere that agreed that SSP was about unsigned messages. And, just for the heck of it, note that you missed the "error" about this in the DKIM Overview draft that has been circulating for quite a few months.

Given how little serious discussion has taken place in this working group, and how little effort there has been to summarize discussions, it is not surprising that you are quite convinced that you know exactly what the right perspective is. You haven't been pressed to consider that the views you prefer are seriously challenged.

Such certitude as greatly facilitated by strong language that persistently dismisses contrary views, as has been the pattern for this working group.

d/
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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
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