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Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: ISSUE 1525 -- Restriction to posting by first Author breaks email semantics

2008-01-16 14:59:10
The debate here is whether or not it's mission-critical for SSP to use From: in all cases or whether some other sender identity (like Sender: header) could be used to equal effect generally or in specific cases (like when there are multiple addresses in From).

Given that it would solve the problem described in 1525 and also bring us closer to a consensus position perhaps this thread should discuss what is lost through utilization of the Sender header in at least some cases.

Arvel

Dave Crocker wrote:

Whereas SSP began as a simple idea as a means of deciding whether an unsigned message should have been signed, it has morphed into an effort to validate the From field. That is a very, very different goal.

While DKIM has the goal of assigning *any* identity to a message, so that that identity can be assessed, the current work on SSP is attempting to instead validate authorship.

For the purposes of ensuring the presence of any valid identity, using the Sender: field is just as acceptable as From:. It also has the appeal of being far simpler and, by the way, supporting a wider range of legitimate usage scenarios.

Rather than deal with the problems caused by rigidly insisting on using the author string, you seem intent on ignoring the feedback about those problems and the remarkably simple and useful suggestion to switch to the Sender: field.

But, then, this focus on using author information goes back to a belief that SSP can somehow be useful directly to end-users, in spite of there being no empirical basis for believing this and plenty of empirical basis for knowing that it will be trivial for bad actors to bypass this bit of "protection".


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