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RE: [ietf-dkim] ISSUE 1525 -- Clarification about posting by first Author

2008-01-23 09:31:41
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:16:31 -0800
From: dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net
To: robert(_at_)barclayfamily(_dot_)com

robert(_at_)barclayfamily(_dot_)com wrote:
Agreed, and one of the things a domain owner knows in at least some 
situations is what policies they have set for users of that domain about 
how they are allowed to use that domain. Clearly this is not the case 
for a the majority of domains on the internet, but how many have to be 
able to make this assertion for it to be useful to have in the standard?

If we have some differential statements of constituencies and scenarios to 
which a given feature applies -- sometimes called an applicability statement 
-- then we can make much more realistic statements about utility.

Some constituencies are few in number but big in impact.  That's fine.  As 
long as we can characterize them and convince ourselves that they will 
benefit.


As is the case with pretty much any type of policy publication there are both 
publishers and consumers of that information. I think I could readily 
characterize instances where a domain owner could accurately publish a "strict" 
policy for their domain, both from personal experience and from the set of 
senders/domain ownders I regularly work with. That's clearly not the whole 
internet but would represent at least on constituency on the publishing side. 
Characterizing the consumer side accurately is slightly harder because this 
data is supplementary to whatever people already do and I don't think this data 
can really be accurately viewed in a vacuum but still should not be an 
insurmountable problem.

Are you looking for descriptions of one of the above, both, or the interaction 
between the two? 



By asserting that any mail that claims authorship from a domain I 
control must be signed by me I'm not making any particular assertion 
about why any other mail might not fit that policy. Just the fact that 
it does not.

(just to make sure:  "by me" means "by the same domain as listed in the 
author 
field?)

Yes, sorry resorted to  putting myself in the place of a domain owner 
publishing a policy rather than remaining in the third person. The "me" refers 
specifically to the owner or administrator of the domain which appearts in the 
author field.

At any rate, phrased in the way that you have phrased it, I believe you are 
correct.

However, if you state that all mail claiming authorship from a domain is 
signed by that domain, then there is an inescapable implication about 
unsigned 
mail claiming that authorship.  There is not need to state the implication 
explicitly.

d/
-- 


Yes, that's true, but that implication is not the same as John's 
characterization of this statement as saying "I am a phish target". The 
implication I would get from that is if you get a piece of unsigned mail, or 
mail signed by someone other than that domain that it was not validly authored 
by that domain. That encompasses more possibilities than just "I am a phish 
target" and still requires that the receiver make a decision about whether they 
care that the mail was not validly authored by that domain given the 
information they have available about both the source that transmitted it to 
them, and the source that actually did sign the mail.

Robert






   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net

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