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Re: [ietf-dkim] Seriously.

2008-01-23 11:41:08
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I'm expecting that non-DKIM software will "squint at the message"  
anyway.  SSP is an input to that process.  By "Throw your hands up  
in the air," I gather you mean, "the result of the SSP check is  
indeterminate," and yes, that is an option too.  I don't think  
that's a very good option, because it means that an attacker can  
defeat SSP simply by adding an additional From address to a message.

That is indeed what I mean, and I agree that it is suboptimal.

However, if an attacker "defeats" SSP this way, but SpamAssassin adds  
three asterisks to the message because statistically, only an attacker  
would put two "From"s in a message, then all is good.

You're absolutely right, but if I as a sender know that multiple  
"From"s will gank SSP, then I won't do it on my important mailings.  
The very presence of multiple "From"s is an indication that this is a  
hacked message. No crypto, no DNS  is needed at all.

Yes, I know that multiple "From"s is a charming, somewhat useful  
feature that's a legal part of the email infrastructure. It would be  
sad for it to whither away. But as we have already seen, its  
reliability is dodgy (the test got to me just fine, using Mail.app).  
There are other legal parts of the email infrastructure that have  
withered away as well. (E.g. the syntax <user>@<tld> is legal. I  
happen to have an @AI forwarder that matches my old account on MIT-AI  
from the late '70s; most software incorrectly thinks that example(_at_)ai  
is not a legal email address.) There are parts that have withered away  
that in my opinion shouldn't have. (E.g. I still think that collapsing  
" at " into "@" was a mistake, but I'm like that.) Tough. Times  
change. Entropy happens. Embrace the suckiness.

SSP is an important, valuable, *optional* part of the email  
infrastructure. If SSP and multiple "From"s interact badly in ways we  
can't fix easily, then just put in a note that says so. Or put in a  
note that says that an evaluator MAY consider mulitple "From"s as a  
hack on SSP. State it in draftese.

        Jon


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