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Re: [ietf-dkim] forward movement, please? (was RE: Are lookalike domains like parent domains?)

2008-05-01 10:40:39
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:12:34 -0700
From: dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net
To: arvel(_dot_)hathcock(_at_)altn(_dot_)com
CC: ietf-dkim(_at_)mipassoc(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] forward movement, please? (was RE:  Are lookalike 
domains like parent domains?)



Arvel Hathcock wrote:
I propose that the side advocating removal of the NXDOMAIN check agree 
to language which makes this step AT LEAST a SHOULD and preferably a MUST.


Having the ADSP specification include normative text that calls for 
validating 
the From field domain name does two things:

1. Couples an entirely separate and more generally useful mechanism (checking 
domain name validity) to one that is considerably more limited (ADSP).

For reasons I have shared before I have to disagree. The check for domain 
existence is not unrelated. In short the check for domain existence tells you 
whether something is a D about which it is valid to search for a P. The fact 
that people may already be doing this elsewhere and that it is useful for other 
reasons doesn't have any impact on the fact that this check gives you a hard 
algorithmic boundary for what entitiies ADSP is intended to apply to. We have a 
specification that is currently intended to cover a narrow and well defined set 
of entities, that is domains, and a check to tell whether a given entity is 
such a thing. 




2. Modifies SMTP.  (Yes, really.)

As I think has been pointed out before here is the definition of the domain 
portion of addr-spec from rfc2822.
"The domain portion identifies the point to which the mail is   delivered. In 
the dot-atom form, this is interpreted as an Internet   domain name (either a 
host name or a mail exchanger name) as   described in [STD3, STD13, STD14]."  
Wouldn't something have to exist to meet this specification? Or does the term 
Internet domain include things that don't exist but maybe could?







Having non-normative text that describes it serves to promote the idea but 
not 
couple it with the fate of ADSP.





d/
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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net
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