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Re: [ietf-dkim] Discussion of Consensus check: Domain Existence Check

2008-06-13 10:38:51

On Jun 13, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Charles Lindsey wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:52:12 +0100, Douglas Otis <dotis(_at_)mail- 
abuse.org>
wrote:

Disagree.  Unlike DKIM (RFC4871) where use is self evident, a  
practice assertion must declare which transport protocol is  
covered.  Otherwise it is impossible to discern specifically what  
is being asserted.  Are messages signed for SMTP, or NNTP, for  
example.

But you still have not explained, despite being asked repeatedly,  
how that question is to be answered for a particular message.

A Practice should be defined by its specification to cover specific  
transport protocols when being asserted by transmitting domains.  It  
is unreasonable to suggest all transport protocols that might ever use  
DKIM must employ DKIM at the same level before an ADSP assertion can  
be made.  When only SMTP messages uniformly employ DKIM, then defining  
ADSP as only covering SMTP permits an assertion specific to messages  
introduced by the domain over SMTP.  The assertion would be silent as  
to whether NNTP might employ DKIM, for example.

Discerning whether a message was "intended" to be carried by SMTP  
remains a problem for receivers.  NNTP messages might be converted  
into messages transmitted over SMTP by third-party providers.  Such  
messages will not be in compliance with the domain's ADSP assertion.   
ADSP non-compliance offers information to the receiver for grading  
these messages.  When a LOCKED assertion is made, then NTTP will  
likely be dismissed.  When a CLOSED assertion is made, NTTP messages  
might be annotated instead.

If the message arrives at the Verifier via SMTP, is it an SMTP  
message, or is it not? And if not, how is the Verifier supposed to  
know?

That is an important aspect that must be weighed when assessing  
messages.  The ADSP draft should clearly warn that messages normally  
carried by other transport protocols might be negatively impacted when  
introduced into SMTP.

-Doug
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