John,
I have received no additional information regarding IPR for Sender-ID.
I do note the following:
o Reading the "Status of this Memo" section of
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt, there
is a statement that all IPR has been submitted.
o The text of
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/microsoft-ipr-draft-atkinson-callerid.txt
(which, incidentally, cites draft-ietf-simple-iscomposing-00) is titled
"Microsoft's Statement about IPR Claimed in draft-atkinson-callerid"
o The title of the draft
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-atkinson-callerid-00.txt is
"Caller ID for E-mail".
o Section 3.2 of draft-atkinson-callerid-00.txt and Section 4 of
draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt discuss the same process for determining a
"responsible" domain though the wording is not identical.
o The title of draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt is "Sender ID:
Authenticating E-Mail".
o The following web page is cited in the Caller ID IPR claim as
containing a license to implement:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/spam_senderid.mspx
o The above web page is titled "Sender ID" and contains a link to
"Caller ID for E-Mail Implementation License".
Based on this, I can see how a person could reasonably assume that the
patent claim for draft-atkinson-callerid-00.txt also covers
draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt.
This topic is still on the agenda for the 4 August meeting. The
deadline of 2 August was given so that participants could have time to
read any additional material before the meeting.
-andy
On Aug 3, 2004, at 4:25 AM, John Glube wrote:
Andy,
Having completed a search of the IETF's IPR notices it seems
the only filing by Microsoft to date is:
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/microsoft-ipr-draft-atkinson-calleri
d.txt
This was filed on May 28, 2004 and concerns
draft-aktinson-caller-id.
From the Sender-ID Schedule posted on 19.07.2004:
"Aug. 2 - Deadline to have all IPR information to the MARID
working group mailing list. This includes patent claims,
licensing information, and trademark issues."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02749.html
With no filings being made and nothing being posted to the
mailing list, further to the comments of Ted Hardie on
19.07.04 regarding the license issue:
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02748.html
I request guidance.
* What is the present relevance if any of the filing by
Microsoft on May 28, 2004 to draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt
titled "Sender ID: Authenticating E-Mail" filed in July and
found at:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt
May this WG proceed forward on the basis that:
* MS has not abandoned its original position?
I ask this question as the MS web page dealing with Sender
ID continues to state:
"If you are a software developer and are interested in
implementing this specification in software, please review
the terms of the Caller ID for E-Mail Implementation License
before you begin, as the patent license discusses the rights
that Microsoft would grant you or your organization."
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/spam_senderid.mspx
On 18.07.04, Henry Katz wrote:
"Thanks Bryce. I am drafting an FAQ to answer the questions
that have been raised. As I'm sure you can appreciate, this
needs review and approval by attorneys (plural) and other
folk here. I hope to be able to publish this FAQ to the
list within the next few days.
I understand and appreciate the questions people have been
asking. Let me just say at this point that our intent is to
contribute our IP to this working group and to encourage
widespread implementation and adoption. I very much
appreciate everyone's patience while I gather the answers to
your questions."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02737.html
* MS is not making an IPR claim concerning Sender-ID and
therefore software developers who are interested in
implementing the Sender-ID specification have no need to
seek a license from MS?
I ask this question as:
* there has been no filing by Microsoft concerning
draft-ietf-marid-core-02.txt
* nothing was posted to the list on August 2, 2004;
* the following comment by Mark Lentczner on July 30, 2004
when he wrote in part:
"The current form of the PRA algorithm (in core-02) is
neither heuristic nor proprietary nor arcane: It is a direct
embodiment of the 2822 concept of the mailbox that sent or
resent the message. The priorities and orderings of the
headers checked is follow directly from the 2822 definition
of the headers. I'm sure the description in core-02 could
be more clear in this regard."
http://www.imc.org/ietf-mxcomp/mail-archive/msg02927.html
I appreciate your time in this matter and await your
guidance.
John
P.S. There is a sense of urgency. MS announced on 22.07.04
it will begin testing Sender-ID on 01.10.04 on the
MSN and Hotmail domains. MS is urging other ISPs to follow
suit. Time is beginning to run out for this deadline.
The IPR issue was placed on the WG Agenda for August 4.
In anticipation, on 19.07.04 the WG asked for a posting
by 02.08.04. The time line has lapsed.
cc. Ted, Harry, Mark and the IETF Marid Mailing List
John Glube
Toronto, Canada
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