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Re: Minor is. It's not a pardigm change

2008-03-30 20:22:56

--On Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:05 PM -0700 "Carl S. Gutekunst" <csg(_at_)alameth(_dot_)org> wrote:

Requiring an MX record for every mail host certainly would be
a paradigm shift. The historical use of the MX record is to
identify which hosts are responsible for the incoming E-mail
for a domain, not identifying the specific hosts that are able
to accept E-mail. There are many situations where a sending
MTA coerces the RHS of the bounce address to its own hostname
to ensure that bounces are returned specifically to the
sending host. This might be done for list management, capacity
management, internal corporate organization, security, or a
number of other reasons. If MX records were required, then
they'd have to be added for every one one of these sending
hosts. I know of many organizations for which this would be a
significant administrative burden.

Hmm. This example, which I agree with but hadn't though to introduce into this discussion, is probably another example of why we don't want to try to tamper with things now by simply changing the defaults (or by distinguishing IPv6 from IPv4). If one were designing the architecture de novo today, in today's environment, there would be a strong case for "no MX default", but the sort of situation Carl mentions would also make a strong case for separate "MX-forward-path" and "MX-reverse-path" (bounces) records.

That issue is similar to Frank Ellermann's oft-repeated complaint that (paraphrasing) we weakened the architecture vis-a-vis today's needs when reverse-paths stopped looking like <@nearest-relay: user(_at_)presumed-origin> rather than depending on MX records to determine the mail routing for rejection/bounce messages and thereby treating them the same way forward-path messages are treated.

But those sorts of considerations are important if and when we decide to go design a replacement email system. In the environment we have, it is yet another reason why the notion of an address-based MX default has to apply to address records of all types.


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