On Monday, October 5, 2020 12:06:25 AM EDT Keith Moore wrote:
On 10/4/20 11:48 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Sunday, October 4, 2020 10:18:08 PM EDT Keith Moore wrote:
It's because I care about Internet email, and having it work well.
It's because I hate to see Internet email lose out to FacedOut and
LockedBook and Tooter and Frop and most of the other profoundly
dysfunctional toys that people use for interpersonal messaging these
days. It's because (and I'll probably regret saying this) RFC821,
RFC822, and their descendants have actually held up fairly well in terms
of functionality, especially in comparison to these toys, though there's
clearly a need for improvement by now.
I'd like to think that other people here also care about having Internet
email work well, but so far the loudest people just seem to be screaming
for their right to sabotage it. Maybe there's some good intent and
good faith buried in those arguments, but it's hard to see.
My advice would be stare harder.
In my view, email without spam filtering would be totally unusable.
Well, in my experience, that depends. I operate some accounts with no
spam filtering, some with, using different accounts for different
purposes. That has worked fairly well for me. I do get some spam on
the unfiltered accounts, but not enough to be terribly bothersome, and
it's certainly better to leave spam filtering off for those accounts
than to risk losing a gig.
(I have other accounts that get horrendous amounts of spam despite
having spam filtering. I'm phasing those out but it can take a long
time to update everyone's idea of your email address.)
Spam filtering email may cause problems, but it is still a net benefit.
I do find spam filtering useful in some instances, but don't see a
general net benefit. Sometimes it's a win, sometimes it's a huge lose.
And anyone who want to receive email without filtering is quite free to do so.
It's necessary precisely because email is such a great messaging system.
I don't follow that. Certainly spam filter is sometimes necessary,
though, because email is so accessible.
What you said is the same thing I said, just said differently.
What's your solution? Don't filter and deliver everything isn't a
solution. It merely transfers the problem to someone else.
Agree, but I wouldn't expect the optimum to be at such an extreme anyway.
I have some ideas, but I don't think I could work out the entire
solution by myself. And in an environment with as much hostility as
this one, I don't think suggesting something that isn't both
comprehensive and comprehensible is likely to produce any kind of
constructive discussion.
I will confess that I haven't been following the recent threads exhaustively,
but I haven't seen it. I think the most hostile email I've seen recently is
yours that I originally replied to where you accused people who disagree with
you of actively wanting to sabotage email. I agree that sort of discussion is
unlikely to be productive.
Scott K
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