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RE: Fwd: Re: IP: Microsoft breaks Mime specification

2002-01-23 07:00:03
Im my early statement, I was not suggesting that the IETF be the
certification company, but that the IETF registers a series of trademarks
("Internet compatible","Internet Ready",...) and then call for tender from
certifications companies. These certification companies will get the right
to select who should or shouldn't be able to use the trademarks on their
products....

IETF/ISOC is the holder (copyrighter) of the RFC (ie standards) as well as
holder of the trademarks, and they select annually companies that are the
most capable to test products and say that these products are complaint with
RFC standards...

So like this, most of the job is removed from IETF mainstream work, and the
litigation process will be against the certification company, not the holder
of standard or trademarks...

The RFCs wwould be still public, companies will be still able to make RFC
compatible products, the opensource movement will be still able to develop
and implement RFC compatible protocols and products, and the best products
would be easily recognised through the certification.

Franck Martin
Network and Database Development Officer
SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Lussier [mailto:lussier(_at_)autonoc(_dot_)com]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 1:16 
To: Franck Martin; 'Marshall T. Rose'; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; Einar Stefferud
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: IP: Microsoft breaks Mime specification



I definitely agree that the IETF should be responsible for certifying
products as "Internet Compatible".  It gives vendors something to
shoot for.

We always tell our customers that we support products that work with
the IETF RTFs.  Putting in place a democratic *FAIR* standards
certification plan would make it very helpful for us, because we
could write in our support contracts, if it's IETF certified
we'll support it.

It's just got to be fair and relatively inexpensive to get
certification initially.  Wait for problems to arise, and when
they do, that's when the IETF uses certification as a bludgeon 
and can threaten to publicly yank the certification.

It should be an encouraging force and very very easy to get
IETF ceritifcation, and if you abuse it, you could lose it
and be left out in the cold.

That's the way I would envision such a system.  You don't
have to do elaborate interoperability testing, etc.  You
use IETF testing purely as an offensive weapon against
ill-behaving companies.  And this strategy would allow the
IETF to have tons of products certified, get easy revenue,
and have control over standards abusers to insure a better
Internet for everyone.

Kyle Lussier
AutoNOC LLC


There could be something here, where the IETF encourages private companies
to set up a conformance certification program. The IETF/ISOC would need to
create a logo/trademark "Internet Compatible", and then licence the right
to
certification companies...

I think ISOC could be Interested in such scheme to support the IETF work.

This could be a revenue stream for the IETF to help publish the RFCs

My 0.02 euro

Franck Martin
Network and Database Development Officer
SOPAC South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission
Fiji
E-mail: franck(_at_)sopac(_dot_)org <mailto:franck(_at_)sopac(_dot_)org> 
Web site: http://www.sopac.org/
<http://www.sopac.org/> Support FMaps: http://fmaps.sourceforge.net/
<http://fmaps.sourceforge.net/> 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall T. Rose 
[mailto:mrose+mtr(_dot_)netnews(_at_)DBC(_dot_)MTVIEW(_dot_)CA(_dot_)US]
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 9:15 
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Cc: Einar Stefferud
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IP: Microsoft breaks Mime specification


the ietf does standardization, it does not do interoperability testing,
conformance certification, or protocol policing. we rely on other
organizations and the market for those tasks.


/mtr






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