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RE: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational

2003-01-24 08:01:52
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steve> To hear now that someone thinks that the ASON work in 
ITU-T is some kind
steve> of secret end-run around IETF, and not involved with 
or related to the
steve> work being done internally in IETF is absurd. At every 
stage of the work,
steve> IETF was kept informed of the work and invited to 
participate. At the
steve> invitation for help to address the additional ITU-T 
requirements, there
steve> was no response. As ITU-T progressed this work and 
invited further comments
steve> and alignment of the base GMPLS protocols, again no 
response. And to the
steve> final pleas for comments and codepoint assignments, no 
response.
steve> ...
steve> After some private communication with the Area 
directors, we received some
steve> advice that one tool that might be used to finally get 
the IANA codepoint
steve> assignment complete would be to publish what we were 
doing in ITU-T as
steve> informational RFCs. This is the stage we are at today, 
and given the
steve> history I describe above, I do not think anybody can 
say that we are
steve> at this point because any of us did not do everything 
possible to
steve> do this work (a) in IETF, with the initial 
communication of requirements;
steve> or (b) in cooperation between ITU-T and IETF, once 
this work had
steve> progressed in ITU-T.
steve> 
steve> But this is all water under the bridge. We are at the 
point of trying
steve> to get some codepoints assigned for ITU-T documents we 
are trying to
steve> complete. Nobody should say "no" at this point because 
they think we
steve> didn't try to work this IN or WITH IETF first. It 
should be clear to
steve> all that this is not the case.

I can understand the frustration in not getting cooperation 
and follow-up on the ITU/ASON requirements.  However, the 
'private communication with ADs' left most of us in the dark 
as to what was (is) going on.  


Jerry, there is nothing secret on this private communication here.
What Steve is saying is that the ITU people had been sending
emails to IANA to ask for RSVP and LDP code point assignments.
And that did not go smooth. So they asked teh ADs if we could
motivate IANA to take action. That is where we suggested to
write an individual I-D for publication as informational
RFC and to submit that to the RFC-Editor. That way one
achives two things:
- a timer starts ticking on the request to publish I-D as RFC
- RFC-Editor and IANA have documented material to review
  the request

The concern still is (drawing from posts by Loa Andersson and 
David Charlap):

loa> The consequence of approving the drafts will be that the 
extensions
loa> by OIF and ITU will be approved by the IETF. I'm not 
sure that this
loa> has been in the open.

Two points:
- the extensions to LDP were found to be in space that requires
  IETF Consensus, and so Scott and I asked for an IETF Last Call
  on the document. That is an explicit OPEN process
- the extensions to RSVP are mainly in FCFS space and in such 
  space the IANA can actually assign without any public
  documentation. However IANA decided to ask for documentation
  (and that got supported by teh ADs as per above) and so 
  Zhi and Bala submitted I-Ds. Thes I-Ds have been around
  in various versions for quite a while, and the Zhi document
  was actually discussed in CCAMP meeting a few times, so 
  I do not think it is fair to question if this was possibly
  done in the dark (or closed) rooms.

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Bert





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