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Re: Quote from me that isn't (Re: Email account utilization warning.)

2004-07-13 21:09:43

Funny that: if you don't recognize the statements, why don't you clearly
state that is appropriate to make complaints on-list and refute those who
ask for such complaints to be made offlist?  Complaints _should_ be made
offlist.  

Myself, Dan Bernstein, and I think others have been chastised for making
on-list complaints.  Of course, we have only made them public after they 
were privately ignored.

Of course, making every complaint on-list would be unreasonable--not to
mention inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons. It would subject the
IETF to claims of defamation, for example.  So is your objection here
anything but frivolous? 

                --Dean


On 26 Nov 2002, D. J. Bernstein wrote:

[ post by non-subscriber.  with the massive amount of spam, it is easy 
to
  miss and therefore delete mis-posts.  your subscription address is
  54830374684695-namedroppers(_at_)sublist(_dot_)cr(_dot_)yp(_dot_)to, please 
post from it or 
  fix subscription your subscription address! ]

I've sent twelve messages to the namedroppers mailing list this month.
Five of them have been silently discarded by the namedroppers censor,
Randy Bush. (See http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/namedroppers.html for previous
incidents.)

Bush says that the only relevant feature of my messages is that they're 
sent from an address that isn't subscribed to namedroppers. Okay, boys
and girls, let's look at some statistics:

   * 5/12 of my messages have been silently discarded;

   * according to Bush, this has nothing to do with me or the content,
     so we estimate that about 5/12 of all non-subscriber messages have
     been silently discarded;

   * in the past three months, there have been about 100 legitimate
     messages from other people who Bush labelled as non-subscribers;  

   * so we estimate that, in the last three months, Bush has silently
     discarded about 71 legitimate messages from other people. That's a
     rate of hundreds per year.

Bush doesn't say ``Your message didn't go through.'' Bush doesn't say
``Reply to this bounce to confirm your original message.'' He simply
throws the message away.

This is supposed to be the mailing list for an open IETF working group.
It's outrageous that valid messages are being silently discarded---even
if the number is not as large as hundreds per year.

---D. J. Bernstein, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematics,
Statistics, and Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago

P.S. Out of my twelve messages, the five that were silently discarded
are exactly the five that I would pick if I were a censor trying to bias
the DNSEXT decisions in favor of the BIND company. Coincidence, right?

P.P.S. Bush's mailing-list software doesn't cryptographically confirm
unsubscription requests. I kept my subscription address private until
Bush revealed it a few days ago. I'm working on obtaining a subscription
through an address that Bush doesn't know is connected to me.






On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:



--On 12. juli 2004 12:55 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com> wrote:

  it has been pointed out to you that you have the ability to
  communicate with Rob Austein using the mail address that is posted
  on the ietf dnsop charter web page:

As Chairman Alvestrand has clearly stated, IETF email lists are not to be
used for making complaints.  One is not supposed to make complaints to the
DNSOP list.  The only exception to this rule is the main IETF list which
has administrative discussion as its purpose.

I do not recognize that as anything I have said.
Please point to the quote.

               Harald





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