I generally agree with Tom and Carl.
The community needs visibility in to the IASA finances, sufficient to
ensure that the IETF's money is spent on IETF-related activities with
a reasonable level of prudence. I don't think that our BCP needs to
specify a reporting methodology that the IAD/IAOC should use to
provide that visibility...
Today, we are looking at organizing the IASA as a cost center within
ISOC, and it seems likely that the visibility that the IETF needs can
be provided in the form of a P&L statement for the costs center and a
summary of its general ledger accounts. That's fine, but do we need
to say it here?
There is a section of the BCP that says:
Within the constraints outlined above, all other details of how to
structure this activity within ISOC (whether as a cost center, a
department, or a formal subsidiary) shall be determined by ISOC in
consultation with the IAOC.
It seems inconsistent with this section to mandate elsewhere that the
IASA will be organized as a cost center, that we will use "cost
center accounting", that the financial reports will include a P&L for
the cost center, that we will publish the general ledger accounts,
etc. These are details that, IMO, the IAOC and ISOC should work out
(and change as needed to meet the needs of IASA and the IETF
community) between themselves.
Margaret
At 11:43 AM -0800 1/20/05, Carl Malamud wrote:
Hi -
I agree with Tom that this is kind of confused, and I think there is some
potential fast and loose use of the language of accountancy. :))
I think the vague term "accounts" is just fine for the purpose we are
engaged in. I think all we're trying to say is that the ietf community
would like to see a periodic summary of the IASA accounts in the form of
standard financial statements that reflect the income, expenses, assets, and
liabilities of that cost center. I don't think we need to get into
general ledgers and all that other technical accounting talk.
Regards,
Carl
Inline,
Tom Petch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harald Tveit Alvestrand" <harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no>
To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Resolution? #787 terminology - in particular "ISOC Standards
Pillar"
> In #787, Margaret raised a couple of terminology questions related to
the
> terms:
> - IASA Accounts
> - IETF accounts
> - ISOC Standards pillar
> In discussion, it seems clear that "IETF accounts" is a mistake, and
should
> be changed to "IASA accounts" wherever it occurs.
>
> "IASA accounts" should probably be changed to "IASA general ledger
> accounts" - to have a recognizable term from bookkeeping instead of
the
> rather vague term "accounts".
>
general ledger is indeed a recognizable term from bookkeeping but it is
not the one I would want to see. Accountancy (as taught to me) divides
up the ledger into accounts, and yes, acccounts is also a recognizable
term. The ledger is typically divided up into (traditionally physical
separate books)
- purchases/creditors ledger
- sales/debtors ledger
- general/impersonal ledger
- private ledger
so seeing only the general ledger gives me an incomplete, perhaps
misleading view of the financial state of an organisation. In fact, I
would want to see the private ledger first since it contains profit and
loss, trading, drawings etc.
More generally, I would want to see the IASA accounts (an accountancy
technical term) in the ledger (another accountancy technical term).
Or do these terms change meaning as they go west across the Atlantic?
<snip>
_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
Ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
Ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
_______________________________________________
Ietf mailing list
Ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf