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Re: Mud. Clear as. Re: Rough consensus? #425 3.5

2005-01-26 21:32:57
This set of principles works for me.

a.

On 26 jan 2005, at 20.40, Eric Rescorla wrote:

With that in mind, I would like to suggest the following principles:

1. The IETF community should have input on the internal rules
   set by the IASA and the IASA should be required to respond
   to comments by the community on said rules.

2. While the IASA's behavior should be constrained by BCPs (as it will
   be constrained by the first one) we should in general refrain from
enacting specific internal IASA rules changes by BCP. If it is believed that the IAOC is making bad decisions we have a mechanism for unseating
   them.

3. Decisions of the IAOC should be appealable (following the
   usual 2026 appeal chain) on the sole grounds that the IASA's
   processes were not followed. Those decisions should NOT be
   appealable on the grounds that the decisions were simply bad ones.

I recognize that point (3) above is somewhat controversial, so
I'll attempt to justify it a bit. The simple fact is that the
IASA (both IAD and IAOC) will be constantly making business decisions
and if we are to keep the job manageable (and in the case of IAD
keep the costs down) they have to know that they will not be
constantly second-guessed by the community on what kind of cookies
they purchased. If the community feels very strongly that the
wrong kind of cookies were purchased then they can ask for a
rule demanding chocolate chip, and in the worst case pass
a chocolate chip cookie RFC.

There's a parallel here in the RFC 2026 appeals process. While
the IAB and IESG can review a decision both for process violations
AND for technical merit, the ISOC BOT is extremely constrained in
that it can only provide limited procedural review (S 6.5.3)

   Further recourse is available only in cases in which the procedures
   themselves (i.e., the procedures described in this document) are
   claimed to be inadequate or insufficient to the protection of the
   rights of all parties in a fair and open Internet Standards Process.
   Claims on this basis may be made to the Internet Society Board of
   Trustees.  The President of the Internet Society shall acknowledge
   such an appeal within two weeks, and shall at the time of
   acknowledgment advise the petitioner of the expected duration of the
   Trustees' review of the appeal.  The Trustees shall review the
   situation in a manner of its own choosing and report to the IETF on
   the outcome of its review.

The Trustees' decision upon completion of their review shall be final
   with respect to all aspects of the dispute.

It seems to me that this is a good model to follow for IASA.



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