Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates

bmanning(_at_)vacation(_dot_)karoshi(_dot_)com wrote:

On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 04:21:31PM +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

Ray,

I think our goal is to not lose essential participants from the IETF due
to clashes. In fact that's why we want to schedule several years out, so
as to make it easier for many other organizations to do their scheduling.
If we do that, it's each organization's choice whether or not they avoidIETFweeks. (This week, for example, ITU-T NGN chose to schedule two majormeetings
in other cities.)



        and how does one define "essectial participants"?


WG chairs, authors, active contributors to technical discussions.
It is a matter of judgement of course.

I don't think it's discriminatory to put the NICs and NOGs that don't seem
to have a large overlap with IETF participants in the second category. It's
just a matter of practicality, given that optimal scheduling is a
fundamentally imsoluble problem anyway. I'd be delighted to see growth in
African participation in the IETF (the spreadsheet shows two people from
Africa pre-registered this week).



        the same arguments could have been applied to europe

15 years ago... but they were not -


I don't think the analogy holds, for a number of reasons. (As a matter
of interest, there were about 6 participants out of 350 with addresses
in Europe at the March 1991 IETF meeting, and about 19 out of 530
in March 1993. At that point, scheduling against RIPE would certainly
have become a practical problem.)

   Brian


--bill

   Brian

Ray Plzak wrote:

Why should AfriNIC be considered any less of an RIR than the other APNIC,
ARIN, LACNIC, or RIPE NCC(meeting is at RIPE meeting)? Why should AFNOG be
considered any less of an operator's forum than NANOG or EOF(meeting is at
RIPE meeting)? We are talking about an entire continent. It seems to me in
this case that the priority should be equality of treatment based on the

function being performed for a region and not any other perceived reasonfor

inequity. Or doesn't the IETF care about the Internet in the developing
regions of the world?

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja(_at_)darkwing(_dot_)uoregon(_dot_)edu]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:53 AM
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates

yOn Fri, 24 Mar 2006, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

Hi Ray,

I know is difficult already to manage to avoid clashes, but I think is
unfair and discriminatory to have all the RIRs and *NOGs in the MUST NOT
list, but AfriNIC, AfNOG and SANOG in the other list.


having attended two of three I would simply observe that the overlap
between the two communites is a little lower. also. having attended every
afnog meeting, it hasn't yet clashed with the ietf. You have to have some
priorities.

Anticipating for so many years is good enough to allow all those
organizations to chat together and make sure the there is not a clash,

not

just in the exact dates, but allowing a few days in between (if they are
hosted in different places of the world) to allow traveling among them,
which has not been the case up to now all the time.

Regards,
Jordi

De: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier(_at_)isoc(_dot_)org>
Responder a: <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Fecha: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:41:48 -0500
Para: "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Asunto: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates

The IETF is proposing dates for its meetings being held 2008 through
2010.  Those dates can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/future_meetings0810.html

The dates will be evaluated and selected to meet the IETF's standards
development objectives, while avoiding conflicts with SDOs and other
organizations to the extent possible.  Those organizations can be found
on the Clash List from the same url.

Comments regarding these dates should be addressed to the IAD at
iad(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org(_dot_)

It is anticipated that an official IETF Meeting Calendar for 2008 -

will be formally adopted on April 20, 2006 by the IAOC.

Regards
Ray Pelletier
IAD

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