Re: Meetings in other regions

Brian,
it may have got loast in this thread too, but Patrick has got the nub 
of your argument there. The IETF goal is to efficiently do a work 
which is as afficient as possible. RFC 3935 says that the IETF has to 
"influence" the world. I say that it has to "serve" it, what also 
means to educate its own members about what is efficient in our real 
world. A world where "NA" is understood as the country code for 
Namibia. IMHO you and Patrick are equally true. And so I am: there 
are three meetings a year. Why not one for efficiency, one for 
efficient deliverables, one for more efficient working methods?
jfc


At 18:36 15/07/2006, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> It may have got lost in this thread, but Fred has got the nub of
> the argument here: the IETF's goal is to do its work as efficiently
> as possible, and that means assembling at locations that are
> (on some sort of average) convenient for our active participants.
> In practical terms, that means assembling in countries or regions
> with a good number of current participants.  I show a pie chart
> at every plenary (a tradition started by my predecessors) that
> gives a pretty strong indication of what those countries or regions
> are. You saw the version of that pie chart from IETF65 in the
> ISOC Board meeting in Marrakech. The IETF66 version is in the
> Wednesday plenary proceedings from this week.
> (temporary location:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=66 )
>
> Outreach is important, and welcoming new active contributors
> is important, but the dominant consideration is a location that
> is convenient and effective for our current active contributors.
>
> Regards
>
>     Brian
>
> Patrick Vande Walle wrote:
> > Fred Baker said the following  on 13/07/2006 13:38:
> >
> > > My point is that it is not about the price of the hotel, nor is it
> > > about taking the Internet gospel to those who haven't been able to
> > > participate in its development [...]
> > > It's about having productive meetings in an atmosphere conducive to
> > > them
> > Fred,
> > The place where we had the ICANN meeting in Marrakech provided fast
> > connectivity, very good mobile phone coverage and all you would need for
> > a productive meeting, despite the fact that it was located  in Africa.
> > This is a counter example to what your are trying to demonstrate. There
> > are many places places in Africa, Asia-Pacific  and Latin America where
> > you could have a productive meeting. One only needs to look for them.
> > In terms of image, I tend to think that it would indeed help the IETF to
> > have meetings outside the Northern America  and European regions. It is
> > not so much about spreading the Internet gospel - others do it better -
> > although it would help.  It is more in terms of interacting with the
> > local community  to find out  what they expect to come out  of a
> > standardization process. The hypothesis by which whatever is good for
> > the Northern hemisphere is automatically fine for the rest of the world
> > seems slightly colonialist to me.
> > Best,
> > Patrick Vande Walle
> > ISOC Luxembourg
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