Re: Meetings in other regions

> That said, and given the difficulties of balancing competing
> priorities in site location, it seems reasonable to me to make
> a decent, good-faith effort without getting overly bogged down
> in "where should we meet?" discussions, and really try to get
> the remote participation thing nailed down a little better.  The
> ratio of good to bad remote meeting input has improved a lot
> over the past year or so but there are still too many working
> groups without a Jabber scribe in the room (which prevents remote
> listeners from providing inputs), etc.
OK, this is only a thought, and I'm out of the process improvement business 
anyway, but I've been seeing a consistent improvement in the quality of 
jabber logs for at least two years, and I'm wondering if there are working 
groups who would be willing to try "minutes = chair summary plus jabber 
logs" for a few IETFs (without what we usually think of as "detailed 
minutes"), and see if this is actually workable.
I'm a many-time repeat offender as WG note-taker, and am watching my notes 
look more and more like a jabber log with only one jabberer; the advantages 
of jabber (in my experience) are
- it's nice for the note-taker to be able to participate in the meeting - as 
an extreme case, in the SIPPING Ad Hoc on Friday, Gonzalo and Mary handed me 
the mike about twenty times, but very litte of what I said appeared in the 
notes, and it's worse when someone is already talking when I stop talking. 
That's typical in my experience. With Jabber, people can type until I get 
back to my seat.
- It's really nice when I misquote, or mis-attribute, something that was 
said and another jabberer corrects it right away. This is SO much better 
than the WG chair having to listen to the audio stream to check my notes 
after some number of days has elapsed (and sometimes all the chair can tell 
from the audio is that I got it wrong, without knowing what "right" would 
have been).
- and, obviously, this works better for remote participants (what's the 
alternative - send e-mail to the list?)
Now that all this stuff is on the IETF website, it should be more enduring 
than if the jabber rooms and logs were hosted somewhere else.
Of course, Jabber has to work; our wireless network has been pretty solid 
the last couple of meetings, but even so, if you offer a Jabber scribe an 
Ethernet connection and guaranteed power at the front of the room, that 
would be pretty compelling for me, most IETFs.
Thanks,

Spencer 


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