Sam Hartman wrote:
"Harald" == Harald Alvestrand <harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no> writes:
Harald> I regard a 6-month ritual of: 1) Unsuspending Jefsey from
Harald> ietf-languages 2) Waiting until Jefsey discovers his
Harald> unsuspension 3) Wading through Jefsey posts until
Harald> everyone's sure he's still as incomprehensible as before
Harald> 4) Convincing my then-current AD that it's time for
Harald> another 6-month suspension 5) Suspending Jefsey for
Harald> another 6 months 6) Dealing with his appeal of the
Harald> suspension to the AD 7) Dealing with his appeal of the
Harald> suspension to the IESG 8) Dealing with his appeal of the
Harald> suspension to the IAB 9) Dealing with his appeal of the
Harald> violation of his human rights to the ISOC BoD
Harald> as a silly waste of energy, an affront to people's sanity,
Harald> and harmful to the IETF.
I agree with you. I don't see anyone advocating for this ritual or
any path that involves this ritual. I don't understand who is
thinking this ritual is a good idea or is claiming this ritual is how
we will do things.
Any procedure with a limited timeframe for suspensions and an unlimited
opportunity for using the appeals chain will have the side effect of
requiring this ritual.
The 39xx suspension rule got WG chairs into exactly that spot (with a
30-day cycle).
I'm not saying anyone desires it, I'm saying that we will get it unless
we specifically make sure it's not possible to let ourselves be
maneuvered into it.
Harald> draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment has been approved for
Harald> 2 months at this point. While it disallows procedures that
Harald> suspend people beyond November 2007, a procedure
Harald> authorized under that umbrella would be a much better
Harald> first step.
I expect to bring forward a procedure under this draft for the next
telechat. The IESG would then of course announce the procedure and
have 14 days of feedback before it goes into effect.
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Harald
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