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Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process ratherthan some

2006-09-14 09:17:40
Really - so where is the magic list of all barred members?

Todd
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Chown" <tjc(_at_)ecs(_dot_)soton(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk>
To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process
ratherthan some


Isn't he barred from posting here?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
I am forwarding this on behalf of Dean Anderson.


Thanks

--Dean


On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Noel Chiappa wrote:

    > From: "todd glassey" <tglassey(_at_)earthlink(_dot_)net>

    > Why cant the IETF and IESG Embrace open elections

Because the members are generally happy with the system we have now.
It's
called democracy - and you're outvoted.

I think that in fact, members aren't very happy with the system that
we
have now. If they were happy, they wouldn't be changing it.

I think that the system has created a very closed, and very unfair
management selection process that is not benefiting the members are
large, but benefiting a few private interests.

Remember, we had this system for quite a while before the last major
rework
of the process (i.e. we'd all seen it in action for some years, and
were
able
to judge how well was working), and the outcome of that rework was a
standards document - i.e. something suject to community approval,
i.e.
democracy - which made adjustments, but retained the basic
framework. If
people weren't generally happy with that basic framework, it would
have
been
obvious at the Last Call of the document.

IMO, the IETF has some significant problems, but the process for
selecting
people for leadership positions isn't one of them.

I think the IETF and ISOC do have some very significant problems, and
that those problems are primarilly mismanagement, disloyalty, and
improper use of the ISOC/IETF/IESG/IAB to benefit the personal and
adverse interests of the management. The ISOC/IETF employees have
accrued some torts against the organization for defamation and
defamatory false reports of member misconduct.

There is plenty of documentation now of disloyalty, fraudulent
misrepresentation, collusion, and bad faith.  To see a little bit,
look
at the Appeal submitted recently to the IAB:



http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/Appeal_of_IESG_decision_of_July_10_2006-v4.pdf
or


http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/Appeal_of_IESG_decision_of_July_10_2006-v4.html



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