Larry, your email sounded dangerously close to suggesting that it
might be ok to break the copyright law because no one would object to
it. Is that what you are suggesting?
On Dec 17, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
Dave Crocker wrote:
That was the culture. Law often
follows culture, since culture creates established practice.
I hope you're right.
May I ask: Is there anyone on this list who is asserting a current
copyright
interest in any IETF RFC--on your own behalf or on behalf of your
company--that would encumber the freedom of any IETF participants to
copy,
create derivative works, and distribute that RFC in accordance with
IETF
culture?
On what basis do you assert that current copyright interest in those
RFCs?
Have you registered that copyright? Is that copyright interest sole
or joint
with any other entity, including other contributors or the IETF Trust
itself?
I'm not interested to hear about hypothetical situations. I would
like to
know if there are any actual claims of copyright ownership that
people here
are even considering to assert against IETF's complete freedom to
act and
establish functional Internet standards.
/Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of
Dave CROCKER
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:34 PM
To: Brian E Carpenter
Cc: IETF discussion list
Subject: Re: IPR Questions Raised by Sam Hartman at the IETF 73
Plenary
Brian E Carpenter wrote:
On 2008-12-18 11:32, Dave CROCKER wrote:
My assumption was that the IETF owned the work. Pure and simple.
False. You never implicitly transferred ownership.
Yes I did. As I say, that was the culture.
Scott didn't have to come to Erik or me and ask permission, and he
didn't
even
have to think about whether he was required to. That was the
culture. Law
often
follows culture, since culture creates established practice.
I do realize that that was a long time ago and that we certainly
have many
participants holding different views.
I was reviewing the history on the general belief that a crisis of
the
current
sort can often be aided by taking a fresh look at first principles.
But since I've now had a number of public and private exchanges
with folk
who
have been diligent participants in this topic and since none has
seemed to
understand -- nevermind embrace -- the line of discussion I've
tried to
raise,
I'll go back to my observer status and let the folks who are
putting the
real
effort into this continue on.
d/
--
Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net
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