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RE: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07

2009-02-12 13:16:25
The main issue I have been struggeling with these authorization extensions
inside TLS is that they happen at the wrong layer. 

Today, we see similar functionality being deployed at higher layers. I doubt
that a standardized authorization mechanism inside TLS will have a lot of
impact. 

Ciao
Hannes

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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On 
Behalf Of Angelos D. Keromytis
Sent: 12 February, 2009 11:21
To: Alfred HÎnes
Cc: dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com; tls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS WG Chair Comments on draft-ietf-tls-authz-07 

Alfred,
neither of the cited KeyNote drafts (nor the KeyNote system 
itself) is patent-encumbered. However, I admit to not (yet) 
having paid close attention to the details of the IPR issues 
around tls-authz-extns itself and their potential impact to 
tls-authz-keynote.

I have started draft-keromytis-keynote-x509-01 through the 
RFC- fication process (currently discussing with a reviewer), 
since it does not depend on authz (or any other pending work 
in any WG). I have been waiting for tls-authz-extns to go 
through the process before I start with 
draft-keromytis-tls-authz-keynote-01. I invite every 
interested party to send me comments. You may find it useful 
to first read RFCs
2704 (at least the first few sections) and 2792.
Best,
-Angelos


On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Alfred HÎnes wrote:

At Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:20:14 -0500 (EST), Dean Anderson  wrote:

                                                     ...  And as 
programmer and developer, I will probably have some non-patented 
alternatives to present.

             --Dean

Dean,
that's really laudable progress, leading back to technical 
discussion 
of possible alternative solutions.
Please indeed prepare such I-D as soon as feasible.


I heartly invite other interested parties as well to submit their 
proposals to the TLS WG, and I hereby explicitely would like to 
address those many folks that newly started being interested in IETF 
work in general and further development and application of TLS in 
particular.

In order to make life easier for all participants, I suggest 
to start 
with streamlined draft names like draft-<author>-tlz-authz-<xxx>-00 .

The WG should be able to perform an unprejudized discussion of 
alternative proposals before it comes to determine consensus whether 
there is enough interest and support to warrant adopting 'TLS 
Authorization' as a new work item, and if so, which
draft(s) to base the WG project on.

I personally promise to review sound draft proposals in time before 
such WG decision (perhaps not initial -00 versions, only enough 
elaborate refined versions).


One immediate question to the group and the respective author:

Draft-housley-tls-authz-extns only defines a framework, and 
according 
to the past exegesis of the imprecise IPR statements under 
discussion, 
only the application of that framework to specific use cases 
might be 
encumbered by these claims.
However, the recent I-D, draft-keromytis-tls-authz-keynote-01,
together with a supporting sibling document,
draft-keromytis-keynote-x509-01 (both still rough and lacking 
important details), defines a concrete instantiation of that 
framework.
In how far is that instantiation encumbered by these IPR claims?
Is it burdened with other patent claims?


Kind regards,
 Alfred HÎnes.

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