John C Klensin wrote:
--On Sunday, August 23, 2009 14:18 -0700 Doug Barton
<dougb(_at_)dougbarton(_dot_)us> wrote:
...
So, if someone doesn't get at
least a day pass, I'd be happier if we charged a nominal (even
if only $10 - $20) fee for registration for the tutorial than
just open the doors.
I disagree here. I think that opening the newcomer's session
and (if the host is agreeable) the reception on Sunday to all
comers would have way more benefits than costs. Of course we
would have to capitalize on all those fresh bodies by having
registration open and suitable promotional materials for both
full and one-day registration prominently (yet tastefully)
displayed.
Doug,
I think that the ability for active participants in the IETF to
get into the reception and even eat is fairly important,
probably more important than encouraging first-timers and
visitors. I hope that you would agree with that, even though we
would both prefer to have no restrictions in that regard.
I definitely agree that if I pay for IETF I want my shot at the dried
out chicken wings, yes. :) FWIW I'm not trying to minimize your
concerns, which I think are valid. I simply think that reasonable
minds can differ on the cost/benefit analysis.
What caused my suggestion for a nominal fee and some sort of
preregistration (which that fee would imply) was a vision of the
IETF meeting in a location with nearby college campuses and the
possibility of signs (possibly put up by third parties)
advertising the reception and noting "free food" and, depending
on the location and sponsor "free beer". I leave the rest to
your imagination.
Well, you seem to have a darker view of human nature than I do, and
that's saying something. There are ways to solve both problems I
think, such as setting aside the first 30 minutes for paid
participants and opening the doors wide after that.
In any case I don't want to overengineer the social events. I
personally think that we should use the golden rule. Whoever pays the
gold for the event gets to make the rules.
Regardless of where we come out on the socials I think it would be
good to have some kind of consensus on opening the newcomer session
and the plenaries, at minimum to those who pay for day passes (and IMO
for all comers). There's only a little over 2 months till Hiroshima,
so it would be nice to have a settled policy on this soon-ish so that
people can make their plans appropriately.
Doug
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