I saw proposals for two pools from which nomcom members might be chosen. I
don't think that anyone is proposing that once chosen, there is any distinction
between the 10 voting nomcom members. When I was a liaison to nomcom, it seemed
to me that the ten voting members acted as peers, with no one knowing, nor
caring, whether any particular member had attended 3 IETFs or 50. This "ten
peers" approach should and I expect will continue regardless of how the 10
voting members are chosen.
Each nomcom member comes in with their own experiences and personalities. Thus
for example one voting member might have more experience with one IETF area,
and another might have more experience in a different IETF area. Similarly,
some might have management experience in the IETF, some might have management
experience inside their employer, and some might have implemented
communications protocols. Each can talk from their point of view. In my
experience as nomcom liaison it seemed very valuable that some of the nomcom
voting members had significant experience in IETF leadership. It also seemed
very valuable that all of the voting members appeared to be taking the process
very seriously and doing their best to do the right thing (which was also true
the one time that I was on a jury - a somewhat similar and also very important
process). That being said, However, each needs to listen carefully and then
make up their own mind based on their own judgment of what is best for the IETF
and for the Internet.
That being said, I think that the points idea is interesting.
Ross
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[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Aaron Falk
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:08 AM
To: Donald Eastlake
Cc: IETF-Discussion list
Subject: Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection
process
Hi Donald-
You present an interesting idea and I appreciate your desire to avoid a
two-class nomcom. If you were to take that approach, I'd suggest allocating
points as below:
High points (e.g., 10)
- served as a working group chair
- served on the IESG or IAB
Medium points (e.g., 5)
- served as a liaison
- authored an IETF Stream RFC
- shepherded an IETF Stream RFC
- served on a directorate or liaison
(there are probably others)
Low points (e.g., 1 per meeting)
- meeting attendance
Giving meeting attendance points 1 per meeting without bound seems like a good
idea since someone who has attended 20 IETF meetings may be a lot more plugged
in than someone who has attended 5 or some of the 'medium points' items.
Just a thought,
--aaron
On 7/30/10 11:23 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
I can see the desire to have some more experience on the nomcom.
However, I am completely opposed to invidious schemes to divide the nomcom
voting members into two (or more) classes. And I think the desired results can
be obtained without doing so.
The current qualification is attendance 3 out of the last 5 meetings but no one
notices or cares whether any particular nomcom volunteer attended 3, 4, or 5
meeting. If you want more experienced members, just tighten the attendance
criteria a bit but give points for other experience. As an example, set a
threshold of 4 or 5 points where you get one for each meeting you attend out of
the last six, one point for being on either of the two most recent nomcoms, and
one point for having been a working group chair in the past two years. You
could even make the probability of selection non-uniform based on points and
I'd be willing to modify the code normally used to allow that, but I don't
think it would be necessary.
This way you will get more experience without the dominance effects of some
nomcom members being labeled Senior and some Junior or whatever.
Thanks,
Donald
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