RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 0

Sounds to me as if you both just need a good travel agent (& possibly a
little anti-whining therapy ;-).

Hope this helps.

 ~gwz


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> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:57 AM
> To: IETF Discussion
> Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-
> Aero, Sat 07:09
>
> That's it !
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
> > From: Mary Barnes <mary(_dot_)ietf(_dot_)barnes(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
> > Reply-To: <mary(_dot_)ietf(_dot_)barnes(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
> > Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:11:47 -0500
> > To: Fred Baker <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
> > Cc: <jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>, IETF Discussion 
> > <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
> > Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-
> Aero,
> > Sat 07:09
> >
> > Fred,
> >
> > The fuss is all about the fact that the trains between Hiroshima or a
> > flight leg from Frankfurt to Prague, for example can't be compared to
> > the train experience to/from Maastricht in terms of convenience in
> > scheduling, ease in purchasing ticketss, quality of transport and
> > comfort (in my experience).  Information about the trains to Hiroshima
> > was provided well ahead of time and was extremely accurate and
> > informative (down to the detail of not changing at the central Tokyo
> > station).  The trains to Hiroshima were far superior in quality and
> > comfort than those to Maastricht.  The train I took to Maastricht was
> > decrepit - two cars that were filthy, with the filthiest restroom I
> > have EVER seen in my entire life and I've seen alot having traveled in
> > a station wagon all around the US as a child.  And, unfortunately, I
> > had no choice but to use the facilities on the train since the public
> > restroom at the lovely Liege station was closed at 10pm at nite. I
> > barely caught the last train to Maastricht due to flight delays and I
> > got very lucky in that there was a cab dropping someone at the train
> > station in Maastricht when I arrived, otherwise I would have had to
> > walk to my hotel as the train station was entirely shutdown when I
> > arrived.
> >
> > So, AT MOST, I would consider Maastricht a Tertiary location as I
> > would the venue in Dublin and as I would a conference center located
> > 15 minutes from my house despite it being 15 minutes from the 3rd
> > busiest international airport in the world because there are no
> > restaurants nearby and folks that stayed at other hotels would need a
> > car to get there.
> >
> > In my opinion Hiroshima was a very satisfactory venue - the trains
> > were clean, easy to use and the meeting venue was located in a city
> > center (near all the hotels) with plenty of nearby choices for finding
> > food.  These are all very, very basic and simple criteria to meet,
> > unfortunately, Maastricht did not satisfy any of them.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Mary.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Fred Baker <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hiroshima, Barcelona, and Maastricht are equally "secondary" to me. I
> take a
> > > commuter flight, I take a flight between hubs, and I do something
> else
> > > (flight or train, and the train's a lot more comfortable than
> flying), and
> > > I'm there. If I'm on three flights or two and a train, to me that's
> pretty
> > > normal. Leaves me wondering what the fuss is about.
> > >
> > > I've attached the www.hipmunk.com report on "how to get from
> Barcelona to
> > > Beijing".
> > >
> > > If you're arguing against Maastricht on the basis of it being
> secondary, do
> > > you really want to go there?
> > >
> > > > Maastricht didn't met any of both choices.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think the responsibility of the IAOC/secretariat finish by
> providing
> > > > the venue and hotels. It must be a GOOD venue. Otherwise we may
> choose as
> > > > venue ANY city lost in a far corner of any country, right ? And that
> should
> > > > include the most obvious info about how to reach the venue
> (especially if is
> > > > not next to an international airport). If somebody take the risk of
> choosing
> > > > an alternative path, of course, that's a different history.
> > > I agree they need to be good venues. Was Hiroshima a good venue, by
> your
> > > analysis? It seemed very good to me. So did Maastricht, although we
> had to
> > > fix the Internet access in the conference hotel. My only complaint
> there, to
> > > be honest, is that I used Swisscom in the Crowne Plaza and several
> other
> > > hotels while in Europe, and with the exception of the NH Airport
> Brussels,
> > > they all had loss rates on the order of 1% or greater for the
> duration that I
> > > was measuring. I thought Maastricht was a great city.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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