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Re: A modest proposal...

2011-08-01 12:09:25

Fascinating.  I had no idea that there even *was* such a phrase in common 
usage, let alone that there was known etymology for it.  One learns something 
new every day.  
But I meant it quite literally: a moderate/humble/etc. proposal for Friday 
meeting schedule. 

-hadriel


On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote:


Hi All,

Within the IETF, it has become common to use the term a "A Modest 
Proposal..." as a title for actual proposals for process change within the 
IETF.  This causes some cultural dissonance for me, personally, and  I want 
to make sure that people are aware of the origin of this term, and the 
potential for misinterpretation of proposals that are titled this way.

It is not my intention to criticize Hadriel, or anyone else who has used this 
phrase.  I am sure that no one who has used this term has intended to be 
offensive to me or to anyone else.  I am not personally offended, and I am 
not looking for an apology.   I just want to make sure that people understand 
how the use of this term resonates with  me, personally, and potentially with 
others. 

The original article by Jonathan Swift, titled, "A Modest Proposal...",  was 
a satirical suggestion that widespread famine and poverty in Ireland could be 
addressed by the Irish selling their children to the wealthy as a source of 
food (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html).  This was a very loaded article 
that made an outrageous proposal, clearly not one that was meant to be taken 
seriously.  This article has been interpreted in many different ways, though. 
 Despite the fact that the article may have been intended to be supportive of 
the Irish cause (by satirizing England's indifference to Irish poverty and 
famine), the article was, nonetheless, highly offensive to many Irish people 
for a number of reasons.  Although i can't personally see it, I have also 
been assured that the article is uproariously funny.  Whether you find the 
article offensive or humorous, though, "A Modest Proposal..." is a culturally 
charged  reminder of a very difficult time in Irish/English history, 
 an
d the term is likely to evoke complex feelings in people who are still 
culturally sensitive about that topic.

So, if you are making a satirical, uproariously funny suggestion that you do 
not intend to be taken seriously, but that might be misinterpreted as 
incredibly offensive to all parties involved, then "A Modest Proposal.." 
might be just the right title...  (Although you might want to think twice 
before you hit "send" :-)).

But, if you are making a serious proposal for how to improve things in the 
IETF, I would personally feel more comfortable, and therefore better disposed 
toward your suggestion, if you would not use the term "A Modest Proposal.." 
to describe it.

You are, of course, free to use any title you wish for your own proposals...  
My only purpose in sending this mail is to educate people who might not be 
aware of the history of this particular phrase, so that they might have a 
better basis for deciding whether or not to use "A Modest Proposal..." in the 
titles of their own proposals.

Thank you for listening,
Margaret

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