+1
More flexibility, more chair accountability for the decisions
they make about that flexibility, fewer rules and fewer things
that require AD involvement except on appeal and other types of
high-level discussions about whether particular WGs are being
managed properly.
john
--On Monday, August 01, 2011 15:43 -0400 Barry Leiba
<barryleiba(_at_)computer(_dot_)org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 02:31:13PM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker
wrote:
I suggest that this is a sub-optimal state of affairs. I see
two solutions:
1) Codify the requirement that materials to be discussed at
the meeting must be submitted before the cut-off and that
submissions made during meetings are strictly limited to
revisions occurring after and between WG sessions. [Except in
exceptional circumstances with AD approval]
2) Eliminate the 2 week cut off completely.
When I first read this, I thought that (1) could make sense.
When I started to read Andrew's response, I disagreed with it.
After all, the AD can override the block on submissions.
Then I got to this:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Sullivan
<ajs(_at_)anvilwalrusden(_dot_)com> wrote:
I
especially don't want anything more gated on the AD during
IETF week. Chairs have to ensure this rule isn't abused, and
if it is then the right thing to do is complain about WG
management, not invent more rules.
...and I switched. Andrew's right: we aren't well served by a
situation that requires AD intervention in this, and we do
have to trust the chairs to manage their working groups,
including managing the time and content of the sessions.
I understand the situation that prompted Phill to suggest
this, but I think it's something that needs to be taken up
with the chairs. And, yes, that is what happened, in a sense
-- it was taken up with the chairs -- and also in a sense, the
chairs acknowledged that they allowed something that in this
case might have been problematic.
I think that's the way to deal with it, albeit with somewhat
more circumspection than happened. I'd rather not put rules
in place that restrict how the chairs can manage the
discussions in their working groups. Most of the time, these
late updates are helpful, not harmful. The chairs need to be
able to put their judgment to work here.
Barry
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