Brian,
So far you are the only person that has responded with substance. Other
feedback was promised but never arrived. I hope to rev this document shortly so
that we can finalize it before the Taiwan meeting.
I wrote:
Based on the discussion I've updated the draft:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kolkman-iasa-ex-officio-membership
Essentially I incorporated Dave Crocker's proposal to
1) replace the 'chairs' by voting members appointed by the respective bodies.
2) allow the chairs to participate in all meetings and provide (unsolicited)
advice.
I believe that allows chairs to exercise their responsibilities of keeping a
coherent perspective of the organization an allow them to steer outcomes if
needed, but doesn't require the day-to-day involvement that is required from
a diligent voting member.
You responded:
And it therefore removes the two Chairs' shared responsibility for decisions
of
the IAOC and the IETF Trust. I am still far from convinced that this is a good
thing.
That is correct, under this proposal the chairs don't have voting
responsibilities in the IAOC. And while I argue that the chairs can 'steer' as
ex-officio I understand that is something you are either convinced off or not.
Also, the new section 2.3, which is incorrectly titled but presumably
is intended to be "IETF Trust membership" seems to me to be inconsistent
with the Trust Agreement. The Trust Agreement states that the Eligible Persons
(to become Trustees) are each "a then-current member of the IAOC, duly
appointed
and in good standing in accordance with the procedures of the IAOC established
pursuant to IETF document BCP 101 [as amended]". That doesn't exclude the
non-voting members of the IAOC, which is why the IAD is already a Trustee.
To change this, the Trust would have to change the Trust Agreement. To be
clear,
I'm not saying this can't be done, but it can't be ignored either.
Yes, it is incorrectly titled.
As far as I understand the trust agreement the voting members and the IAD are
members of the trust. If the 'chairs' are non-voting members of the IAOC then
the idea is that they would not be trustees and a modification of the trust
agreement is not needed. That can be clarified.
If the chairs should be trustees (are you arguing that?) then I agree, a trust
agreement modification is needed.
--Olaf
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