Hi Noel,
"Affiliate" is overly broad, and undefined and therefore not
supported by BCP79. It cannot be reasonably expected of an IETF
participant to have an objective view of with whom he/she is affiliated.
One (the most?) common definition of "affiliate" used in contracts
results in a sweep in of any corporate entity that is controlled,
or controls, another entity, including individuals. Recursively.
As there is no definition of "affiliate" in BCP79, we have to assume
such a common definition.
Now, I'm affiliated with IEEE, and so is John Doe, who controls a
patent of which I believe it may be necessary to practice a draft.
I happen to be aware of John Doe's patent because John Doe is a former
colleague of mine, but other than that, and our IEEE memberships, there
Is no other connection between John Doe and myself. I surely
do not have an disclosure obligation based on our joint affiliation
with IEEE?
Using affiliate would IMO be a policy change through the back door.
I would rather strongly suggest to stick with vocabulary available in
BCP79.
The formulation used in BCP79 is "employer or sponsor". Wordcount +=2 :-(
Stephan
On 6.22.2012 08:12 , "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter(_at_)stpeter(_dot_)im> wrote:
On 6/22/12 8:45 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote:
On 6.22.2012 07:14 , "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter(_at_)stpeter(_dot_)im>
wrote:
Anything that you write, say, or discuss in the IETF, formally or
informally, either at an IETF meeting or in another IETF venue
such as a mailing list, is an IETF contribution. If you believe that
any contribution of yours is covered by a patent or patent
application made by you or your employer, you must disclose
that fact or arrange for your employer to disclose it on your behalf.
s/made by you or your employer/controlled by you or your employer/
And I would remove "on your behalf", as it a) adds to the word count,
and
b) could be viewed as a requirement to fill in the section III of the
disclosure form--something that is neither common practice nor, IMO,
overly
useful.
You're right on both counts. So (and addressing Randy's concern):
Anything that you write, say, or discuss in the IETF, formally or
informally, either at an IETF meeting or in another IETF venue
such as a mailing list, is an IETF contribution. If you believe
that any contribution of yours is covered by a patent or patent
application controlled by you or an organization with which you
are affiliated, you must disclose it or arrange for that
organization to disclose it.
Peter
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