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Re: ITU-T Dubai Meeting

2012-08-07 03:20:45
Martin,

As far as the mass market goes, multiple prefixes and renumbering are a fact of 
life.
See the MIF and HOMENET WGs for more.

As far as enterprise networks go, renumbering is rather undesirable but 
sometimes
inevitable, see 6RENUM.

Regards
   Brian

On 07/08/2012 08:46, Martin Rex wrote:
Brian E Carpenter wrote:
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On 06/08/2012 23:02, Martin Rex wrote:
Steven Bellovin wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
whatever the number of address bits, if it is fixed, we always run out.
memory addressing has been a cliff many times.  ip addressing.  ...
Yup.  To quote Fred Brooks on memory address space: "Every successful
computer architecture eventually runs out of address space" -- and I heard
him say that in 1973.
I'm wondering what resource shortage would have happened if IPv6
had been massively adopted 10 years earlier, and whether we would have
seen the internet backbone routers suffer severely from the size
of the routing tables, if every single home customer (DSL subscriber)
would have required a provider-independent IPv6 network prefix rather
than a single, provider-dependent IPv4 IP Address.
That was never a likely scenario (and still isn't). PA prefixes are still
the norm for mass-market IP, regardless of version number.


IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
network prefix.

With IPv4, you would have typically keept your IPv4 network address
(the old class A, B & C from early 199x) even when changing network
providers.


To me, IPv6 PA prefixes look like a pretty useless feature
(from the customer perspective).  Either you want an provider-independent
prefix to avoid the renumbering when changing providers,
or you want some level of privacy protection and therefore
a fully dynamic temporary DHCP-assigned IPv6 address
(same network prefix for 10000+ customers of the ISP)
and for use with NAT (again to avoid the renumbering).

IPv6 renumbering creates huge complexity without value (for the customer).

-Martin


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