On 9/25/2012 6:32 PM, David Morris wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, tglassey wrote:
The IETF needs total transparency and a way to process alternative standards
so that it is not actively involved in anything dark and covert.
Todd
That makes no sense ... something can't be an IETF standard if it doesn't
get created and adopted using The IETF's processes. The word 'standard'
implies the approval of some organization/standards body.
The problem is the IETF Process is not transparent. Most of the vetting
happens between parties offlist and no capture of that or the underlying
processes in the standards process is in place. When the IETF was a
trailing-edge process this wasnt an issue but as it has morphed into a
leading edge GSO it is now.
The independant
stream does allow publishing of alternatives to IETF Standards, but that
doesn't make tham alternative standards.
And that is the problem.
The IETF process of today is based on a 'consensus' process from a
membership of zero. That in and of itself flies in the face of reason
and ethical clarity. If there were formal members who came together in a
framework that the IETF administered it would be OK but the process
today is too easily abused.
For that some other recognized
group needs to declare it a standard and then it will be An XYZ Group
Standard, not an IETF Standard.
That is the point - the IETF cannot hold the world hostage - it must
provide open, provably open at that, access to its processes.
The issue is how to remove the political BS which clouds so many
initiatives. The answer is an alternative standard process which has
some form or predefined completion such that the standard will just
issue. There is no fiefdom here there is no magic castle of the
technological demigod to sacrifice a first-borne too here there is just
simple and transparent steps which can easily be tracked.
When the journey is completed the standard will automatically issue...
no IESG no IAB pain no extra administrative overhead for a bunch of
lifer type standards junkies... Just simple and clean access to the
standard process.
Todd
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