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Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt> (LISP EID Block) to Informational RFC

2012-11-16 10:46:51
Hi Dino,

Nothing is coming. Nothing really needs to change.

But if there is anything written up to define allocation procedures, the 
RIRs can review such a document.

The main motivation for this prefix is to optimize ITRs so they know that a 
destination is in a LISP site. This COULD eliminate a mapping database 
lookup for a destination not in this range. Meaning, if a packet is destined 
to a non-EID, you may know this by inspecting the address rather than asking 
the mapping system.

I don't agree. For example: I'm using regular space for LISP EIDs now, so you 
can't assume that if it's not in this block that it's not in the mapping 
system...

That is why I capitalized "COULD".

This draft is purely a draft to REQUEST space. There will need to be a 
deployment guide on how to allocate EIDs, in general.

And if the RIR system is used every RIR will develop its own policy for 
allocating EIDs independently (hopefully based on the recommendations in 
such a deployment guide). It will have to be very clear whose 
responsibility it is to allocate from this space, and when assigning 
responsibility it might be a good idea to make sure they accept that 
responsibility too.

Right.

Note that I am not opposing the idea. I'm just trying to make sure this 
address space doesn't disappear into a black hole because nobody takes the 
responsibility to manage it.

One thing we have to be very careful with here is that EIDs are not 
directly allocated/assigned to end sites from this block. That will cause 
everyone to independently find (different) PITRs for their space,

Why not?

Because the RIR communities will probably just refuse to allocate from this 
space if it means that all those routes end up in the BGP table... They are 
already plenty of people that don't like regular PI policies...

You have all the PITRs in the world advertise only the one /12 into underlying 
routing.

which will make a mess of the global IPv6 routing table...

And why do you think you need to assign PITRs per sub-block?

I hope that is not necessary, but if addresses are assigned to end-sites 
directly in a PI-like way then who is going to provide PITR services for the 
users? Someone has to pay the bandwidth cost for operating 

PITR services are provide for non-LISP sources to send to these sites. If you 
have a well-known defined /12 that all PITRs advertise, then when you allocate 
sub-blocks, you don't have to change, reconfigure, or touch the 1000s of PITRs 
deployed.

a PITR... And the users of that space want reliability, so they are not going 
to rely on the goodwill of some unknown 3rd parties. There is too much bad 
experience with 2002::/16 for that.

We do that all the time on the Internet unless you sent this email on a 
source-route to me. ;-)

If you see another way that I am missing please let me know! I want this to 
work, I just don't see how...
- Sander

Dino



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